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#1 Erik Brul

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 02:33 PM

What can i say.... ? However, a translation would be nice :)



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#2 Lars Erik

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 03:20 PM

What can i say.... ? However, a translation would be nice :)



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Dude, this is a joke right?

Funny video!

Oh and yes...please someone do translate it!!!
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#3 Rob Vuona SOC

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 06:21 PM

What can i say.... ? However, a translation would be nice :)



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Oh Man, would I love to step on to stage on a live show wearing that thing . . . .LOL . . . .

Can you see the faces of the audience at the Emmy's as you carry someone up to stage . . .LOL . . . .

we gotta get a translation for that aweful audio
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#4 Amando Crespo

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 07:17 PM

What can i say.... ? However, a translation would be nice :)



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Oh Man, would I love to step on to stage on a live show wearing that thing . . . .LOL . . . .

Can you see the faces of the audience at the Emmy's as you carry someone up to stage . . .LOL . . . .

we gotta get a translation for that aweful audio

Never mind Rob.... That "engenier..." are a fan of Forest Gump...
No problem.... Go Forest ...GO!
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#5 Bryan Trieb SOC

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 07:46 PM

I don't see what's so funny.....these are the rigs we use up here in Canada.
Please email me for a demo.


HAHA....honestly, this made my day...thanks for the laugh!

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#6 Dave Bittner

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 10:23 PM

It looks funny, to be sure, but there's a part of me that thinks we shouldn't be so dismissive of someone trying something new. This guy clearly thinks he's on to something, and maybe he is. Notice his vest has no shoulder straps - how much of the weight is being transferred to the leg supports?
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#7 RobVanGelder

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 01:27 AM

While I think that the principle of the exoskeleton can work, I am sure it can be ONLY useful when there is an active support, either by motors or springs.
This systems is basically a chain of rods with hinges, they can only really support when the rods are in a straight line, supporting the weight on top.
The way we operate is not like that, we have to bend our knees slightly and will therefore destroy the supporting function immediately.
The moment we bend any of the hinges, not only the weight of the rig but also the whole contraption has to be carried physically.
If that was not the case, he could "stand" this harness against the wall, without hanging it.

Now, a spring-loaded hinge system that could look similar as the spring arm from ABC-products might give some support, however the person wearing it would have to move against the springs in order to move at all..... so that is not working either.

Personally, I believe that camera in the video is fake, very lightweight for its size. It looks heavy but it isn't. The length of the rig and the small base/batteries suggest that too.
That might be the reason why he can use a back-mounted harness without extended back support and shoulder straps.
I can loose the shoulder straps too, with my Klassen BM, they do not do much at all.
He straps the harness part around his middle, between the hip bones and the midriff, that is the weakest part. of the body, another suggestion that the camera is fake.

I've seen another movie of him with an SR2 and this contraption, seems he has problems with that already....
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#8 Erik Brul

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 01:30 AM

Notice his vest has no shoulder straps - how much of the weight is being transferred to the leg supports?


And that was the question my wife asked me after seeing the video. I don't know, seems it's the idea because otherwise his back
will be in hospital in notime.
Damn Amando, you are right... Steady Forest !

I've seen another movie of him with an SR2 and this contraption, seems he has problems with that already....


Hey Rob, just saw that clip, indeed already problems... clip nr3, running thru the streets.., running is impossible otherwise he will get
the same effect as Forest and his legs straps come off..

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 12:15 PM

While I think that the principle of the exoskeleton can work, I am sure it can be ONLY useful when there is an active support, either by motors or springs.

Just like the Honda Exo sure, that would be more practical in taking most if not all the load off.

This systems is basically a chain of rods with hinges, they can only really support when the rods are in a straight line, supporting the weight on top.
The way we operate is not like that, we have to bend our knees slightly and will therefore destroy the supporting function immediately.
The moment we bend any of the hinges, not only the weight of the rig but also the whole contraption has to be carried physically.
If that was not the case, he could "stand" this harness against the wall, without hanging it.

The support is still there. That is why he has the straps at above and below the knees. His muscles are the spring that you spoke of. The rods and hinge will remain most effective greater than a 90ยบ angle. So it will help support the weight. More than what we have now. Our lower half takes 100% of it, wouldn't it be great to reduce the number!

Now, a spring-loaded hinge system that could look similar as the spring arm from ABC-products might give some support, however the person wearing it would have to move against the springs in order to move at all..... so that is not working either.

That could work, we don't have to fight against a properly loaded or adjusted are.

Personally, I believe that camera in the video is fake, very lightweight for its size. It looks heavy but it isn't. The length of the rig and the small base/batteries suggest that too.
That might be the reason why he can use a back-mounted harness without extended back support and shoulder straps.
I can loose the shoulder straps too, with my Klassen BM, they do not do much at all.
He straps the harness part around his middle, between the hip bones and the midriff, that is the weakest part. of the body, another suggestion that the camera is fake.

I've seen another movie of him with an SR2 and this contraption, seems he has problems with that already....

I don't believe that camera is a fake at all, if you look at the rods once the rig is on, you can see them working. As to the midriff, different set of physics applied to that area here, before the weight was applied to the hips and supported by the shoulders with front and back mounted vest. His system puts it below the hips to the solid ground, the lower back nor abs are not working as hard as they would with a vest.

I would guess that they support about 60-90% of the total weight applied to our hips, knees, ankles and feet. Thats why he did the hard mount to the boots. As far as movability, it looks very accommodating to our needs, more so than the Honda Exo.

My biggest concern would be getting hung up on things or even hitting the bottom of the sled as the support rods protrude out. But I would have to say good start on something. I think in about 2 more years, we will see something a bit more pleasing in looks and function.

Sure it looks funny, but when have we ever NOT look crazy. I say Bravo!



Would love to hear Jerry and Garrett chime in . . .
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#10 Rob Vuona SOC

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 10:53 PM

What can i say.... ? However, a translation would be nice :)



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He's speaking Portuguese in the video, can anyone out there translate?
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#11 Kevin Andrews SOC

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 12:32 AM

Imagine working an entire day without even breaking a sweat! G-70 plus this new tech. I'm sure this won't cost much... :blink:


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Posted 05 December 2008 - 09:47 AM

Very interesting video. Seems like a fresh idea to me. Wish I were as creative as this guy.

Makes me a little sad that other Steadicam Ops are so eager to laugh at somebody trying to do something new and interesting.
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#13 Bryan Trieb SOC

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 03:17 PM

Neal's right, now I feel bad for laughing at first.....I think it was the shoes that got me!
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#14 Lars Erik

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 05:08 PM

Very interesting video. Seems like a fresh idea to me. Wish I were as creative as this guy.

Makes me a little sad that other Steadicam Ops are so eager to laugh at somebody trying to do something new and interesting.


Point taken Neal. Will not be so quick to judge next time. Apologize to all.

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#15 RobVanGelder

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Posted 06 December 2008 - 12:40 AM

Alfeo, I disagree for now with your statement that the hinges work when bend. I think they will not support the weight in that situation.
But what can happen is that they transfer part of the load, in combination with the straps to major leg muscles.
That could "ease" some strain on the knees and other joints, however, it means your body is still holding up the weight.
I do agree that part of the weight could also be transferred to the shoes, making the load appear lighter. However, there is no free lunch here, the moment you have to lift that foot by muscle power, YOU have to lift ALL the weight again, whether it was distributed by your own skeleton or the exo-skeleton.
So while it could help you with supporting a load in a static situation, It probably does not help when moving, e.g. going against the gravity forces by lifting your feet.

It might be one of the reasons why the noise of heavy footsteps in the other video clip with the 16SR is so loud.

I am still thinking..... there might be some elements that could help, but for now i do not think the contraption does anything better than a good work-out and fitness program would do.

Plus the other danger: you might think you can lift loads, but in reality you are not able to do so safely. Specially when in high speed motion.
At a certain moment your personal weight and camera-load ratio is easily tipped towards the black side (Black-out, that is... ;) )
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