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#1 Radomir Carapic

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Posted 01 August 2008 - 06:38 PM

Hi all, I am trying to find what is actual weight for components of Flyer 24 -se and Pilot (Vest, sled, batteries, arm, monitor), but there is no such kind of information on Steadicam site!?,
A found some on B&H, but it says "approximately" 6 pound for Pilot?
Does somebody knows?
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#2 Radomir Carapic

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Posted 01 August 2008 - 11:07 PM

I hope somebody will measure or have exact weight of components for these systems?
All talks are focused on load weight and capacity, but no information of components itself.
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#3 Charles Papert

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Posted 02 August 2008 - 12:09 AM

I just learned that the Flyer sled with two Hytron 50's onboard is about 9 lbs.
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 08:07 AM

And I'd guess the FlyerLE arm to be around 15. Vest, maybe 6? Wild guesses based upon a cup of Starbucks in left hand & rig in right.
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 02:48 PM

And I'd guess the FlyerLE arm to be around 15. Vest, maybe 6? Wild guesses based upon a cup of Starbucks in left hand & rig in right.

Thank you Bob, anybody else?
Regards :rolleyes:
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#6 Janice Arthur

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Posted 02 August 2008 - 04:34 PM

Radomir;

Not understanding why you need weights of components.

Sled, maybe, if you're shipping it but the values of the rigs are all sold as 'camera weight' it will hold.

My Pilot will hold 2-10lb cameras.

Old days it was based on the springs in the arms.

The actual weight of the arm is not important nor the weight of the vest.

Lastly, knowing that you're new, if you do need to know these things (not trying to be a smart alec);
hold the sled and step on a bathroom scale, then subtract.

Because the sleds get changed around so much by everyone some of the weights are unknowable and to publish them teadious.

Sorry if I missed the point here.

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#7 Radomir Carapic

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Posted 02 August 2008 - 07:52 PM

Radomir;

Not understanding why you need weights of components.

Sled, maybe, if you're shipping it but the values of the rigs are all sold as 'camera weight' it will hold.

My Pilot will hold 2-10lb cameras.

Old days it was based on the springs in the arms.

The actual weight of the arm is not important nor the weight of the vest.

Lastly, knowing that you're new, if you do need to know these things (not trying to be a smart alec);
hold the sled and step on a bathroom scale, then subtract.

Because the sleds get changed around so much by everyone some of the weights are unknowable and to publish them teadious.

Sorry if I missed the point here.

JA

Thanks Janice, the reason is simple, I need to know how much I am carrying around, everybody saying what is load capacity, but operators have some kind of "capacity", right?
In other words, I will have much better picture if i know, par example, that sled for Flyer is (without camera) 5 lbs, arm is 15 lbs and Vest 2 lbs + camera and balancing weights, and there you go: you need to carry approximately 15-17 lbs plus camera and weight = 20-30 lbs! And you are right: balancing weight and camera weight can be different, but sled, arm and vest should be the same weight all the time for the same rig.
That is what I am trying to figure out.
Regards, :rolleyes:
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#8 Charles Papert

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Posted 02 August 2008 - 08:14 PM

Apparently my stated weight for the Flyer was considered a guess also, so I'll restate this; the Flyer sled with two Hytron 50's weighs a definitive 9 lbs. I weighed one at Tiffen last week on their shipping scale.

I did not weigh the arm and vest but I know that a PRO Arm weighs 12.5 lbs with 4 springs and the Flyer arm is much less than this, my best guess would be no more than 6 lbs. And the vest is the same or lighter.

Arms and vests do not change their weight but sleds certainly can depending on configuration. What type of batteries (manufacturer, model) are you flying? One or two? Any remote focus gear? Transmitter? Zoom control on the gimbal?

As Janice says, your best bet is to hop on the scale with and without your own setup.

You will raise a few eyebrows around here with the notion of approaching "operator capacity" with a little rig like this as many of us are accustomed to carrying literally 3 times as much weight as a typical Flyer rig (and have been doing so for many years).
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#9 Janice Arthur

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Posted 02 August 2008 - 08:16 PM

Radomir;

I'm still lost.

I pick up one camera one day and another camera another day. My "capacity" to lift that changes with every job and I get stronger with every job.

20-30lbs is nothing. We pray for those days.

I feel if you fixate on the "number" you'll be so distracted you can't shoot.

Many small men and women carry half their body weight and with the Alien Revolution rig I hear its upwards of 100lbs that's huge for even the big guys.

If you feel you need to know this stuff put on the vest, arm and sled (no camera) and stand on a bathroom scale, then subtract.

If you feel you need to know all that stuff have at it but I think you are spinning your wheels and brainpower on stuff that can be better served in other pursuits.

Just my input.

Have a great time operating.

(One very famous Steadicam operator, Ted Churchill was fond of saying;
"I've got back muscles that show up on X-Ray." (big laugh) )

I do too at this point.
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 09:51 PM

I need to know how much I am carrying around, everybody saying what is load capacity, but operators have some kind of "capacity", right?
In other words, I will have much better picture if i know, par example, that sled for Flyer is (without camera) 5 lbs, arm is 15 lbs and Vest 2 lbs + camera and balancing weights, and there you go: you need to carry approximately 15-17 lbs plus camera and weight = 20-30 lbs! And you are right: balancing weight and camera weight can be different, but sled, arm and vest should be the same weight all the time for the same rig.
That is what I am trying to figure out.
Regards, :rolleyes:

Actually, the strain of what you are carrying around has a lot more to do with your balance than the weight itself.

See here for details:
http://steadivision..../steadipos2.pdf

There's a big clue on page 10:
"I have watched Laurie Hayball (above) strap on a Steadicam that was
perhaps half her weight, without appreciably changing her posture. Before her, a
dozen big guys had struggled with the same rig, grunting and sweating, bending
themselves out of shape trying to adjust themselves to it. ...
There is a temptation to regard wearing a Steadicam as something requiring
great strength. This is only partly true, and leads to operators?especially big, strong
operators?using the power muscle groups in the fronts of their bodies to support the
load. Not only is this inefficient, exhausting, and possibly bad for your health, but it
affects your shot. A relaxed operator, using postural support systems is stable and
fluid, yet dynamically poised."
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#11 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 02 August 2008 - 11:27 PM

Thanks Janice, the reason is simple, I need to know how much I am carrying around, everybody saying what is load capacity, but operators have some kind of "capacity", right?
In other words, I will have much better picture if i know, par example, that sled for Flyer is (without camera) 5 lbs, arm is 15 lbs and Vest 2 lbs + camera and balancing weights, and there you go: you need to carry approximately 15-17 lbs plus camera and weight = 20-30 lbs! And you are right: balancing weight and camera weight can be different, but sled, arm and vest should be the same weight all the time for the same rig.
That is what I am trying to figure out.
Regards, :rolleyes:



Huh? if 30lbs total is "heavy" don't try to fly on a tv series or movie. On my show I have two rig weights that I fly. If we are doing a speed ramp or off speed shot, that means I fly my Panavised F23 with the SWRW1 recorder attached, and that means an all up weight of ~100lbs. if I fly in two piece mode it knocks 20lbs off the rig for a total all up weight of 80lbs.

Sled weight changes with configuration on my show.

In the last week I did three days where steadicam was the primary camera and shot every setup.


Apparently I don't suffer from a "capacity" limit
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#12 Radomir Carapic

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 08:11 PM

Thank you all for your kind response, i have idea right now, I will try to get involved in some work shops to have a better understanding of all those dynamics, poses and handling of Steadicam,
Regards,
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#13 Amando Crespo

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Posted 05 August 2008 - 07:33 PM

Hi all, I am trying to find what is actual weight for components of Flyer 24 -se and Pilot (Vest, sled, batteries, arm, monitor), but there is no such kind of information on Steadicam site!?,
A found some on B&H, but it says "approximately" 6 pound for Pilot?
Does somebody knows?
Regards,


Hi Radomir!.
For the weight of your sleed, you´ve considerate an small bit.
At first 4-5 horus working, your sleed is heavy but confortable. When you was 8-10 hours working.... All rates of weight changes your face your sense of humor... and it´ll begin be more and more heavy..
Good luck
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#14 AdamKeith

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Posted 05 August 2008 - 09:40 PM

The Steadicam Operators Assoc. provides a "Steadicam Resource Manual" that I believe includes sled weight.

It might need some updates with the newer sleds, arms and vests.

http://www.steadicam-ops.com

Regards,
Adam Keith
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