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#1 mattshort

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Posted 18 July 2004 - 08:04 AM

what do you guys think of this rig? how much do they cost? i've checked the archives and couldn't find a whole lot of info.
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#2 JobScholtze

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Posted 18 July 2004 - 09:38 AM

It is a very nice rig, don't know about his price but something around the 30K?. The arm is stiff, at least the one i used. I am using the Glidecam Gold know, and the gold arm is much smoother. More like the 3a arm. I am flying it for two day's now and am still happy :D

But i am sure there are other opinions as well. :D

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#3 thomas-english

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Posted 18 July 2004 - 11:50 AM

yeah,

tried it on robin thwaits optex course (v-good i might add)

its a really nice light weight rig.

im not keen on the vest but it seems quite good.
the arm is very good i think (especially compared to my pro-vid arm on mk-v sled)
the sled annoyed me because u need tools to move the gimble... but im sure u could kip lock it some how.

the arm does need tools to adjust its tension

overall a v-nice bit of kit. i would be interested in testing it side by side with the steadicam lightweights before spending that kinda money. if your europe based i could nt recomend more speaking to robin at optex about the different models and they re advantages/disadvantages. im sure he d let u test drive em....
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#4 George Grammatikos

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Posted 18 July 2004 - 04:21 PM

now the rig is all tool free ,and its marvelus and lightweight ,but i believe that the gimbal it loose after a 180 turn ,and the arm is still too heavy and old style ,the vest is marvelus,try baer bell am !
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#5 Frederic Chamberland

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Posted 18 July 2004 - 05:45 PM

Hi Matt,

I own and operate the Sachtler Artemis Cine-HD since 2002, it's introductory year.
The Cine HD is the top of the line in the Artemis family. I don't know if you are talking about this one because the Artemis family begins with the little Artemis DV up to the Cine HD (about 1500$US (DV) to 35 000$US (Cine HD)...

If you go into the 2003 forum and search for "Artemis", you will find extended reviews on the system.

In two words: Great rig at a good price. Service is top notch. The arm is old school but is very smooth, I would call it a 3A arm on steroids. Simple design. 2 year and the electronics are flawless. I would go for it again...

Frederic Chamberland
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#6 RobinThwaites

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Posted 19 July 2004 - 04:04 AM

Hi Thomas

The version you were playing with was the lower cost option which does use an Allen screw to tighten the gimbal however the Artemis is available with a lever locking gimbal as an option.

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#7 mattshort

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Posted 19 July 2004 - 04:34 AM

It is the Cine HD I'm interested in. Where did you buy yours? On the Artemis website it doesn't list any dealers.
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#8 Frederic Chamberland

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Posted 19 July 2004 - 04:45 AM

Hi Matt,

I'm from Canada and bought it direct from the Sachtler manufacture in Germany. You can ask for a price list on the web site, they should reply fast enough.

Frederic Chamberland
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#9 Gus Trivino

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Posted 19 July 2004 - 05:24 PM

Hi Matt:

I have an Artemis Cine HD bought 4 month ago.
Is really beautifull in all sense.
You can see some picture or info on my web page
www.steadifilm.com.ar
over there, you can see the links of Artemis and SVC (Dealer of Artemis )
He can hep you.
Best regards,

Gus.

PS: Yes, like Fred told you, the arm is an 3A anabolized! :D
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#10 mattshort

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 10:48 AM

Hey Gus,
What did you spend on your rig? What options does it have?
Matt
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#11 Brad Hruboska

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Posted 04 August 2004 - 07:19 PM

Boy I guess Im the bad guy here....I had a Artemis in Greece , I needed to do a few pick ups and it was not worth the hassle of trucking my PRO II package all the way over to Europe for the four small shots we had to match to a shoot in Egypt. Anyway the biggest problem is the docking bracket on the post, it does not sit high enough to allow the rig to balalnce and enter/exit the docking fork. This requires you to lengthen the post ot an absurd degree unless you load the bottom end up with big batteries, ( sadly none arrived from the rental, we also saw no sandbags or lamp scrims for the duration, but I digress.....) I found the arm was strong, but not particularly fluid, a bit too springy after a Pro arm, and the gimbal was not particularly friction free, kind of sluggish for my taste.....it's a good starter rig but i think with big 35mm camera, BL, 535, panavision, you will have some real problems, unless you like operating with a four foot post all the time....
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Still Loving my Pro....and all its XCS tweeks.....
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#12 Brad Hruboska

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Posted 04 August 2004 - 07:20 PM

Oh and I though the vest needed a bit of reinforcing, like an EFP.......but again Im spoiled by Klassen/Sauve.... ;)
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#13 Frederic Chamberland

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Posted 04 August 2004 - 11:39 PM

Boy I guess Im the bad guy here....I had a Artemis in Greece , I needed to do a few pick ups and it was not worth the hassle of trucking my PRO II package all the way over to Europe for the four small shots we had to match to a shoot in Egypt.  Anyway the biggest problem is the docking bracket on the post, it does not sit high enough to allow the rig to balalnce and enter/exit the docking fork.  This requires you to lengthen the post ot an absurd degree unless you load the bottom end up with big batteries, ( sadly none arrived from the rental, we also saw no sandbags or lamp scrims for the duration, but I digress.....) I found the arm was strong, but not particularly fluid, a bit too springy after a Pro arm, and the gimbal was not particularly friction free, kind of sluggish for my taste.....it's a good starter rig but i think with big 35mm camera, BL, 535, panavision, you will have some real problems, unless you like operating with a four foot post all the time....
:(
Still Loving my Pro....and all its XCS tweeks.....

Hi Brado,

I own and use the Artemis everyday, and I also have the opportunity to use a PRO II at a local rental house and just want to comment on your post:
Yes , the docking ring on the sled I find too low for the Sachtler docking bracket and it sends the post longer than the PRO, I would not use the term "absurd degree" but more like 3 to 4 inches longer than a PRO post with same setup...
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Yes, I prefer the PRO arm too, but I find this Sachtler arm the most versatile spring arm on the market today compared to others I have tried (Master and 3A).
The gimbal , you found not friction free enough, I have to disagree, maybee you had a bad one (rental's are always tricky) but my Artemis gimbal is by far , the best I have had in my hands , and I have fundled with PRO, MK-V, MASTER, 3A, even XCS. But, I must admit the gimbal is , IMHO, the most "personal" piece of hardware on any rig.
And finally, and that probably is why I answered this post, is the statement of getting into real problems flying heavier cameras whitouth a long post...
I mostly fly 535's, moviecams compact and 435's. In the case of 535 (heaviest), I use three hytron's 50 at the bottom and my sony recorder and find myself with a decent post size, far from the 4 foot you mention.

So I guess that yes, you are spoiled with your rig, (as I would for sure too!!!) and you have what I call a "dream rig" . But I do believe I have an exceptional , underestimated rig . Having flown and tried most of the "professional" rigs out there, for sure the PRO would be my first choice, followed by XCS and just behind, my Artemis... And the 20K I saved by going Sachtler all the way is my ticket to a complete Scorpio focus system...That is mostly why I went with Sachtler. And I don't regret it after 2 years of owning it.

cheers,
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#14 mattshort

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Posted 08 August 2004 - 09:46 AM

Thanks for all the input, guys. I'm a long way from a purchase and I want to research every system to get the best for my money.
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