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#1 Ryan Wiebe

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 01:25 PM

When I got the Flyer, I noticed that it doesn't have crosshairs or any type of on-screen display. Does anyone have any ideas? I don't want to mess up the LCD screen with tape or anything else.

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#2 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 01:55 PM

When I got the Flyer, I noticed that it doesn't have crosshairs or any type of on-screen display. Does anyone have any ideas? I don't want to mess up the LCD screen with tape or anything else.



You would need a frameliner for that. As an aside I hate crosshairs
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#3 Ken Underwood

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 02:14 PM

How about going to the paper supply store and getting a couple sheets of clear polyester that you can run thru your laser printer? Print whatever you want for safe zones, cross hairs and tape it over your monitor. Cheap, removable, changeable. Not so great for glare outside but certainly functional indoors.
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Posted 22 May 2008 - 02:28 PM

When I had a Flyer I just used a grease pencil / china marker very lightly directly on the front of the LCD to do framelines but never a crosshair. It comes off easy enough.

Edited by Robert Starling, 22 May 2008 - 02:28 PM.

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#5 Ryan Wiebe

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 02:42 PM

You would need a frameliner for that. As an aside I hate crosshairs

Actually, I hate crosshairs also, but I just needed a reference to practice keeping it straight while I am learning.

Thanks for responding everybody, I will put these suggestions to use.
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#6 Colin Donahue

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 06:43 PM

You would need a frameliner for that. As an aside I hate crosshairs

Actually, I hate crosshairs also, but I just needed a reference to practice keeping it straight while I am learning.

Thanks for responding everybody, I will put these suggestions to use.



Just curious. Why do you guys hate crosshairs?

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#7 David Hughes

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 07:40 PM

Personally I hate them and anything else but the essentials like my horizon level or maybe some battery information cropping up in my green screen because they will ultimately result in a detraction from my perception of the frame I am trying to compose. Anything apart from what i need to know just gets in the way, if you cant accurately judge half way across a 3 inch screen then you shouldn't be framing anything with any lens.
They are essential for practicing giving you something to focus on as you track towards a target will cure your wobbles.
Clear your screens of all but YOUR essential information that YOU need no more no less.
My philosophy anyway.
Keep it simple innit.
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#8 Colin Donahue

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 02:39 AM

Personally I hate them and anything else but the essentials like my horizon level or maybe some battery information cropping up in my green screen because they will ultimately result in a detraction from my perception of the frame I am trying to compose. Anything apart from what i need to know just gets in the way, if you cant accurately judge half way across a 3 inch screen then you shouldn't be framing anything with any lens.

My philosophy anyway.
Keep it simple innit.
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From: American Cinematographer

Title: The Steadicam and "The Shining" - GARRETT BROWN
"I quickly realized that when Stanley said the crosshairs were to be on someone's left nostril, that no other nostril would do"

I sounds like Garrett Brown was using crosshairs!! I will let him know he has "no business framing anything with a lens" :P :P the next time I see him!

Actually i have been shooting for 25 years and never used crosshairs, Recently during a workshop I added them with white tape to my monitor to help with some exercises. I left them on for a few months. I found them useful for some shots and distracting for others. I peeled them off about a week ago.
I was just a little bit suprised by the passion of some towards them.

Colin "still learning to frame"Donahue
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#9 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 05:14 AM

From: American Cinematographer

Title: The Steadicam and "The Shining" - GARRETT BROWN
"I quickly realized that when Stanley said the crosshairs were to be on someone's left nostril, that no other nostril would do"

I sounds like Garrett Brown was using crosshairs!! I will let him know he has "no business framing anything with a lens" :P :P the next time I see him!

Actually i have been shooting for 25 years and never used crosshairs, Recently during a workshop I added them with white tape to my monitor to help with some exercises. I left them on for a few months. I found them useful for some shots and distracting for others. I peeled them off about a week ago.
I was just a little bit suprised by the passion of some towards them.

Colin "still learning to frame"Donahue



Just one question. When was the last time you saw a set of crosshairs projected at the movie theater or broadcast on TV?

NEVER, it's not how we see or how we compose.

Crosshairs provide an artificial reference point that influences composition (See "Left Nostril")
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#10 Jerry Holway

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 06:01 AM

Many (most??) film cameras have crosshairs centered on the groundglass; so they must be useful for some things.

I like having the option of enhancing those electronically, and the ability to move them around for a number of different situations.

One especially good crosshair-in-the-center use is for shooting POV's, where you want to place the crosshair on exactly what the creature is looking at (all other framing is out the window except avoiding bogeys). (And POV gun shots DO have crosshairs on the screen for the audience...). Another is matching two CU's in dialogue - it can help judge the looks. Not necessarily a rigid rule, but an aid to composition and matching.

Other uses for crosshairs-not-necessarily-in-the-center: for matching eyelines, or indications of where graphics or other elements might be added (could also use alternate framelines for this), rotational points for a weird dutch, holding a raking frame with the appearing point locked in the frame...

Like everything else, crosshairs can be helpful for some shooting... but ignored for most compositions.

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 07:10 AM

When I got the Flyer, I noticed that it doesn't have crosshairs or any type of on-screen display. Does anyone have any ideas? I don't want to mess up the LCD screen with tape or anything else.

Thanks,
Ryan


What camera are you using? Most video cameras have a setting somewhere in the menus that will output a crosshair on the monitor out if you want. You can usually toggle the amount of other info on screen off and just leave the crosshair.
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#12 Imran Naqvi

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 04:58 PM

I always have the crosshairs up.

I've learned to ignore them when I don't need them and and see them when I do.

Some shots need you to land something in a very specific place, but not for the entire shot. I find even just the centred crosshairs give me the option of an additional reference point in the frame if there isn't anything handy within the shot, especially in a CG plate/green screen shot.

Ultimately there aren't any rules about what helps you compose a shot provided the DoP and Director are happy you can frame by your sense of smell if they like it.
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#13 Bryan Fowler

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 08:29 PM

I for one, welcome any hair I can get ahold of, cross or otherwise.
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#14 Ryan Wiebe

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Posted 27 May 2008 - 03:32 PM

What camera are you using? Most video cameras have a setting somewhere in the menus that will output a crosshair on the monitor out if you want. You can usually toggle the amount of other info on screen off and just leave the crosshair.


I am using a Sony Z1U HDV Camera. It does have a crosshair display. However, it will not output to the Stedicam monitor, only to the flip-out LCD on the Camera which I cannot see very well while using the Steadicam.
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#15 Gavin Fisher

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Posted 03 June 2008 - 02:06 AM

How about going to the paper supply store and getting a couple sheets of clear polyester that you can run thru your laser printer? Print whatever you want for safe zones, cross hairs and tape it over your monitor. Cheap, removable, changeable. Not so great for glare outside but certainly functional indoors.


great idea!! i just did this and it's perfect. i got laser transparency sheets from staples. i printed an overlay with crosshairs and one for a 2.35:1 crop. perfect.
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