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#1 Rob Vuona SOC

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Posted 11 February 2008 - 09:40 PM

Hey guys,
As we all know . . .the Holy Grail of Monitors is still not available as an all in one monitor with all the bells and whistles to fit all of our needs at the right price point, but . . . . . .I have been emailing a tech over at Nebtek. I told him to log onto the Forum and give some insight into our monitors needs and this is what he had to say. Maybe in a month we may have what we are looking for? . . . . .
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Hi Rob,

The current NEB70HDS is treated with a military grade "Daylight" coating. It
is not transreflective but it is similar. An unfortunate side effect is that
the coating turns a perfectly good anti-reflective screen into a reflective
one. I have a couple of Steadicam operators in Hawaii that swear by this
unit, but they have not seen the "new" unit yet.

I was checking out your specs on the "Holy Grail" monitor, and our next gen
model will meet or come close to a lot of those specs. One thing to remember
on LCD panels is that traditionally the higher the brightness the lower the
contrast. Once you get up to a 900 NIT Brightness, you end up with a 100 (or
200) to 1 contrast ratio. Which is why so many companies are using films
(transreflective and otherwise) to punch up the brightness of the unit.
Unfortunately these films can lower contrast or make monitors reflective (as
it happened in our case). It's a bit of a catch 22.

I believe that you need a 600 NIT brightness in order to see a monitor in
the harshest outdoor environments. At that point it becomes all about
picture quality, and you can throw the specs right out the window. I've seen
100 NIT brightness monitors that were totally "blown out" indoors but looked
great outdoors. I've also seen units with 700 to 1 contrast ratios that you
couldn't see in bright studio. So forget the specs and look at the monitor
itself. It's not about what works for somebody else... It's about what works
for you. We all have different features we're looking for, and we know what
we want to pay for those features. That's why we allow a 1 week demo on all
of our units. If it works for you... Keep it. If it doesn't work for you...
Send it back (just don't beat the hell out of it before you do).

I have no problem answering questions from Steadicam forum members, but my
overall Steadicam knowledge is not up to the task. I don't like to join a
forum where I don't have a complete working knowledge of the equipment being
used. I'm hell on film and video cameras, but the Steadicams were never the
gear I had to use personally. Please tell anyone on the forum that I'm
always ready and willing to answer questions though.

I'll keep you updated on the next gen model when it becomes available.

All the Best,
Rob
rob@nebtek.com

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#2 Charles Papert

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Posted 12 February 2008 - 03:11 PM

About 8-9 years ago I spent quite a bit of time working with Nebtek to develop an LCD for Steadicam use--at that time the expectation wasn't even daylight-viewable, it was just to have a decent LCD in a lightweight yoke with the proper connectors (PRO Lemo and 4 pin HRS). At that time the alternatives were either the pricey Transvideos or the pretty awful (at the time) Marshalls. I can't remember who I ended up meeting with from the company but we talked plenty about mounting options and the like. And then they pretty much gave up on it on their end, not seeing the value in it.

So it will be interesting to see if they come around to it this time...
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#3 mark morgan

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 05:09 AM

the new hd,sdi,sd nebtek monitor worked beautifully today
in full sunlight not a cloud in the sky
360 shot on the beach shooting with the red camera
this perticular shot took place around 1 pm today
never lost picture at any time during the shot
and for the price of this monitor i'm totally happy
and its built rock solid full metal housing
loop thrus on all sources hd,sdi and sd
might not be for everybody but for the price it's a real winner
and the guys over at nebtek are all super kool

aloha and fly safe
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#4 Robert Starling SOC

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 10:51 AM

the new hd,sdi,sd nebtek monitor worked beautifully today
in full sunlight not a cloud in the sky
360 shot on the beach shooting with the red camera


Hey Mark, how did you have the Nebtek mounted to you sled? Do I remember correctly that you have an Ultra?
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#5 nick franco

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 01:02 PM

Is this the moniter of which you speak?
http://www.nebtek.co...rod=102NEB70HDS


the new hd,sdi,sd nebtek monitor worked beautifully today
in full sunlight not a cloud in the sky
360 shot on the beach shooting with the red camera
this perticular shot took place around 1 pm today
never lost picture at any time during the shot
and for the price of this monitor i'm totally happy
and its built rock solid full metal housing
loop thrus on all sources hd,sdi and sd
might not be for everybody but for the price it's a real winner
and the guys over at nebtek are all super kool

aloha and fly safe

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#6 Charles Papert

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 01:05 PM

Mark:

Please remark on the following, if possible:

- vertical viewing angle (can you boom the camera through entire range without image reversing out or losing brightness)
- how it handles overcast skies (does it white-out at reflective angle)
- sharpness (can an assistant pull focus from it with HD source),
- side mounts (are they at center of gravity of the housing, so if mounted in a yoke it will rotate properly without falling to one side)
- any other notes on why this may or may not replace a green screen for good?

thanks!
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#7 mark morgan

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Posted 19 February 2008 - 05:35 AM

Mark:

Please remark on the following, if possible:

- vertical viewing angle (can you boom the camera through entire range without image reversing out or losing brightness)
- how it handles overcast skies (does it white-out at reflective angle)
- sharpness (can an assistant pull focus from it with HD source),
- side mounts (are they at center of gravity of the housing, so if mounted in a yoke it will rotate properly without falling to one side)
- any other notes on why this may or may not replace a green screen for good?

thanks!


aloha charles,robert and nick
how are you robert well to answer your question no i don't have an ultra
i'm flying the sachtler hd,sdi pro so i don't have a yoke to support the monitor

and nick yes this is the monitor

and charles "wow" heres what i can share
and by the way great questions

vertical veiwing:
i didn't notice any veiwing loss within the full boom range
i beleive the viewing angles are around 45 degrees left to right
around 20 degrees from the top
and 45 degrees from the bottom

overcast skies:
not a problem its not perfect
but you can still do your job
haven't had any white out

sharpness:
the picture is sharp and pure
i personally think it looks better than the red monitor
i have compared the nebtek side by side with other monitors
in that price range and a little above
and i still think that the nebtek panel has a better quality
but still just my opinion

side mounts:
there are no side mounts
but i would think in a pinch there are top and bottom mounts
and the monitor has image flip 4 ways
and i can only assume that you would put the connector side at the bottom
to make it botom heavy,not sure if that is what you would want
since i don't have a yoke system on my sled
so i'm really not familiar with this set up

green screen:
replace the green screen probably not
but like i said for the price to me it's a real winner
and its built tough

and your new reel that is some insane stuff
it gives fantastic foresight on steadicam operating
very very inspiring charles
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#8 Charles Papert

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Posted 19 February 2008 - 07:34 AM

Cheers Mark, thanks for that.

The Nebtek site describes side mounts for the 70HDS model, perhaps this is a newer version (they indicated as much). The yoke mount is great for LCD's as you can change the tilt angle without needing to rebalance, more relevant than with green screens due to the limited vertical viewing angle. I've even done it during a shot.

Sounds like a good piece of gear at a good price. Thanks again for the report (and the kind words).
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