Jump to content



Photo

Red on my Rig


  • Please log in to reply
26 replies to this topic

#1 Rich Cornelius

Rich Cornelius

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 12 posts
  • London

Posted 04 February 2008 - 11:27 AM

Just thought I'd let everyone know that I've just shot a demo on the new Red here in the Uk and after first looks we think its astonishing!
Some very cool picture exposure options within the camera, pictures are awesome and it's also a lot heavier than first thought and i'm glad I took along a big rig rather than a flyer.
I think it's going to catch on very soon and be the next big thing.
Rich
  • 0

#2 joe mcnally

joe mcnally

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 207 posts

Posted 04 February 2008 - 03:40 PM

Hi Rich
do you think the Flyer could handle it in a basic configuration ?
Is there anybody making an adaptor so as one could use the normal 4 pin canon power lead ?
Have you got any pictures of the set up ?
Cheers
Joe
  • 0

#3 Rich Cornelius

Rich Cornelius

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 12 posts
  • London

Posted 05 February 2008 - 06:13 AM

I'm sure they will be an adapter soon but as the first batch of Red's were getting fried from using alternative power sources we only wanted to use it's own batteries.
With the batteries gone it may well be possible to ride with a Flyer.

Attached Files


  • 0

#4 Alfeo Dixon SOC

Alfeo Dixon SOC

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 756 posts
  • Atlanta

Posted 06 February 2008 - 01:11 PM

I'm sure they will be an adapter soon but as the first batch of Red's were getting fried from using alternative power sources we only wanted to use it's own batteries.
With the batteries gone it may well be possible to ride with a Flyer.


Rich,

Does your flyer have a 2 Pin Lemo 2B connector (actually 3 Pin with one pin removed)? If so they are available now.

I just got my RED power cable from Steadicam. First two times I had to use that hugh flash drive cage for the cameras battery to ride. Now I can loose the cage and the battery, especially since no one eve has the flash drives yet.

Did you down convert? I ran straight HD-SDI through the Ultra2, but no transmission to video-village.

-Alfeo
  • 0

#5 Dave Isern

Dave Isern

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 70 posts
  • New York City

Posted 10 February 2008 - 10:42 PM

Hey Alfeo,

Does the "Red" like power from your rig? The camera's light enough that I just run with the battery. I did notice the "Red" camera can be finicky with power the couple times I've worn it. It likes certain power setups and will run perfectly fine, but some other ways of power accessories don't make it happy.
Does it like power from your rig?

Thanks,
Dave Isern

www.daveisern.com
  • 0

#6 Alfeo Dixon SOC

Alfeo Dixon SOC

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 756 posts
  • Atlanta

Posted 11 February 2008 - 08:54 AM

Hey Alfeo,

Does the "Red" like power from your rig? The camera's light enough that I just run with the battery. I did notice the "Red" camera can be finicky with power the couple times I've worn it. It likes certain power setups and will run perfectly fine, but some other ways of power accessories don't make it happy.
Does it like power from your rig?

Thanks,
Dave Isern

www.daveisern.com

Whut up Dave,

So I've heard about this fickleness. I'm going to my RED guy a call and give it a test run this week. Robert Orff at Steadicam worked with the folks over at RED and one of my concerns was the draw from the Power Cubes. I think the RED bricks have a bit more Amp hours than the IDX Power Cubes but they should hold up.

I will also give my run/stop cable for the Preston MDR2 a testing also.

-Alfeo
  • 0

#7 Alfeo Dixon SOC

Alfeo Dixon SOC

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 756 posts
  • Atlanta

Posted 13 February 2008 - 05:45 PM

Whut up Dave,

So I've heard about this fickleness. I'm going to my RED guy a call and give it a test run this week. Robert Orff at Steadicam worked with the folks over at RED and one of my concerns was the draw from the Power Cubes. I think the RED bricks have a bit more Amp hours than the IDX Power Cubes but they should hold up.

I will also give my run/stop cable for the Preston MDR2 a testing also.

-Alfeo


UPDATE:
RED Power cable - flawless

IDX Power Cubes - could give a fair critique because I didn't get a chance to putt any of my batts on the charger for a refreshing... in all fairness they where probably all half spent and I went through three within three hours with a total shooting time of about 15min.

Preston RED MDR2 camera cable - Run/Stop worked, didn't test for anything else because of time and man power (no AC, just me and the RED owner in a bowling alley). I was just happy no one had to hit the big run button on the camera, so I promise next time I'll check for controlling shutter and more...

-Alfeo

Edited by Alfeo Dixon, 13 February 2008 - 05:46 PM.

  • 0

#8 Charles Papert

Charles Papert

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 2224 posts
  • Los Angeles

Posted 13 February 2008 - 06:15 PM

My feeling is that for general purpose shooting the onboard battery will work fine to balance the masses and provide a more film-camera-like feel (not with the RED bracketry though, the Element Technica setups will be a vast improvement). And might as well save our batteries instead of burning them down. However for a lightweight setup, you can lose the baseplate with bottom rails (attaching the dovetail directly to the camera), eliminate the onboard battery and power off your rig. This will drop probably 6+ lbs off the rig, great for concerts/running/uber-long takes etc. It's pretty neat that the camera architecture will allow for it to be reconfigured into it's own lightweight setup, kind of like an Arri ST/LT that can transform into a 235.
  • 0

#9 Amando Crespo

Amando Crespo

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 776 posts
  • Madrid Spain

Posted 15 February 2008 - 06:04 PM

Hi boys!. Thanks for all information about RED. Next April I´ll do a movie and may be possible that DP. opt for it.
  • 0

#10 Clemens Treml

Clemens Treml

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 32 posts
  • Munich, Germany

Posted 19 February 2008 - 05:42 PM

Did anybody shoot with the Red in low mode? Which bracket did you use? Can I work with a universal bracket?
I'll be shooting a movie next week and the director wants a lot of low mode...
Thanks
  • 0

#11 Anders Holck Petersen

Anders Holck Petersen

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 81 posts
  • Copenhagen, Denmark

Posted 20 February 2008 - 07:19 PM

Element technica makes a top cheaseplate that will mount in between two red top mounts.
Posted Image

Perfect for "rightside up" lowmode.
Otherwise I'd personally opt for "upside down" lowmode as that will get the lens closer to the ground.
  • 0

#12 Mike Germond SOC

Mike Germond SOC

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 468 posts
  • Orlando Steadicam LLC

Posted 04 November 2008 - 05:08 PM

When I shot with it on my Flyer, production had rented a top handle that had 1/4-20 and 3/8-16 threads all down its length. We didn't shoot low mode, but it would have been incredibly simple! Also, the handle rose off of the camera body much farther than the Element Technica cheeseplate which would effectively put the lens closer to the ground..
  • 0

#13 John Morrison

John Morrison

    Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 25 posts

Posted 04 November 2008 - 09:12 PM

Hello chaps,

Just lost my Red 'virginity' I was actually pleasantly surprised, I had expected somewhat of a nightmare but it flew very well, as Charles said a bit like a ARRI LT. My assistant was not as impressed, with re-booting problems and other software issues but overall it was OK.

I flew it with the on-board battery mounted up top with the element technica bars and as you can see from the photo I had a LED light attached also. We used the SD card for recording as the hard drive has a bit of a bad reputation.

We were also using some Russian lenses, Elite I think? I was around during the testing and they held up pretty well, not as sharp as Ultra/Master primes but quite close to Cooke S4's in terms of resolution/contrast. They were a bit of a pain because each lens is a different size and my 1st had to keep moving motors around, this also effected the trim of my sled, but overall no big problem.

John
Attached File  RED1.gif   193.03KB   213 downloads
  • 0

#14 Charles Papert

Charles Papert

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 2224 posts
  • Los Angeles

Posted 04 November 2008 - 09:23 PM

When I shot with it on my Flyer, production had rented a top handle that had 1/4-20 and 3/8-16 threads all down its length. We didn't shoot low mode, but it would have been incredibly simple! Also, the handle rose off of the camera body much farther than the Element Technica cheeseplate which would effectively put the lens closer to the ground..


You would have been able to achieve the same effect by simply sliding your gimbal towards the battery. It's always better to have the camera mount as close to the body as possible as it gives you more flexibility.
  • 0

#15 Mike Germond SOC

Mike Germond SOC

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 468 posts
  • Orlando Steadicam LLC

Posted 04 November 2008 - 11:59 PM

But with the weight of that camera and the limitations of the Flyer, I don't think I could have extended the post long enough to counterbalance. Both are effective solutions though. I've turned myself a post extension out of aluminum that works with Tiffen's D-bracket to put the camera closer to the ground in low mode anyways..
  • 0




Boland Communications

Media Blackout - Custom Cables and AKS

PLC - Bartech

Betz Tools for Stabilizers

Engineered Cinema Solutions

Teradek

GPI Pro Systems

Ritter Battery

PLC Electronics Solutions

SkyDreams

IDX

Paralinx LLC

BOXX

Omnishot Systems

Varizoom Follow Focus

Wireless Video Systems

rebotnix Technologies