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#1 Adam Tyler

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 11:13 PM

Hi all just wanted to get some suggestions from you. I have a live music concert shoot coming up and I have been told the director has a few shots he really wants, and other than that they want me to shoot what I want. what would you do in your spare time? any cool shot ideas I should try out
its a 5 cam plus steadicam shoot, all HVX200 nice and light. they also want back stage stuff. thanks for the input
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#2 RobVanGelder

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 12:58 AM

One of your main concerns will be, how to stay out of the shots of other cameras!
Live and 5 camera's, that means that any moving camera will always be in the shot(s) of 1 or more others.

Unless you have proper cues and all operators are connected and directed by the director/OB-van, you will find you cannot do much.
Behind the scenes stuff is always possible, and seeing another operator there might not be a problem at all, but on stage... ?
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#3 Michael Tsimperopoulos SOC

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 08:22 AM

Hi Adam,
Rob is right, first of all know exactly what the director expects from you. Other than that, if they want you out of the other cameras? view, make sure you stay there, and provide angles that may be out of the other operators? reach. They don?t have to be moving shots either. Traditionally, the surrounding geography is quite restricting for camera movement, but I?m sure the director will appreciate any odd, interesting or quirky angle you can give him, as long it's in the context of the overall scheme. Every concert is different (and every director is eager to re-invent the wheel) but usually, if you?re not allowed on stage, steadicam loses a lot of its functionality.

On the other hand, if they do want you on stage, make sure you wear matching socks.

You got me thinking Rob,
Sometimes it?s fun to turn something on its head. I would urge anyone to see or re-visit the 20-years old ?U2: Rattle and Hum?, a top-notch concert film. The director and DP made a point out of including a camera and a crew member in pretty much every shot. The operators were cross-shooting each other all the time, as part of their compositions. Although, I?ll be the first to admit that this may not be the suitable approach for every occasion, it infused the end result with a very distinctive sense of immediacy and connection for the viewer. The presence of the crew acted as a conduit for the audience, and you really felt that you were up there on the stage with the band.

It goes without saying that, done incorrectly, it will totally throw you off.

Michael.
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#4 JobScholtze

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 09:36 AM

As a do a lot of concerts, i'll just put my 2 cents inhere.
Normally i am connected with a wireless camera to the truck. And to stay out of shots of the other cameras i do the following thing.

I connect my canatrans transmitter to the truck program signal and i have a small reciever lcd on my rig. So i have 2 monitors on my rig, one is my signal, the other is the program signal. This way i can see the other cameras and stay away from them.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 04:26 PM

As a do a lot of concerts, i'll just put my 2 cents inhere.
Normally i am connected with a wireless camera to the truck. And to stay out of shots of the other cameras i do the following thing.

I connect my canatrans transmitter to the truck program signal and i have a small reciever lcd on my rig. So i have 2 monitors on my rig, one is my signal, the other is the program signal. This way i can see the other cameras and stay away from them.

regards

You guys all have great and valid points, but you missed that it's a HVX 200 . . . .My guess is that it's an ENG style multi camera and there most likely won't be return video. If the director is looking or even switching camera's it will be on BNC. So you may be tethered, God willing Not! . . .LOL . . .But 9 times out of ten I am via triax or Fiber sometimes just BNC.

The other thing is we don't know what the concert is, what type of music and what type of venue and even more important what the director is expecting.

Mr.Tyler do your best, wear all black, and remember , as already stated, weather your in the pit or on stage or just in the audience your a moving camera and the other cameras will see you, so when you are moving on a shot make it good because they will have to use your shot in the edit because your blowing the other cameras shots.

Fly Safe an feel the music
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#6 Philip J. Martinez SOC

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 09:39 PM

Take a look at this for ideas.

http://www.steadicam...?showtopic=6652



Great stuff
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#7 mark morgan

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Posted 04 February 2008 - 02:22 AM

what else helps is if they are using follow spot operators
see if they can't tighten up there there spots
if they see or know that you are going to attemp a shot
it will help with unwanted shadows
especially on the 360's
and like rob says you gotta wear your blacks even the socks
most of all have fun


Hi all just wanted to get some suggestions from you. I have a live music concert shoot coming up and I have been told the director has a few shots he really wants, and other than that they want me to shoot what I want. what would you do in your spare time? any cool shot ideas I should try out
its a 5 cam plus steadicam shoot, all HVX200 nice and light. they also want back stage stuff. thanks for the input


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