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#1 Mark Calver

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 02:31 PM

Hey Guys,

So i might possibly have a gig where they want me to fly a Panaflex Millenium on my ProVid. I know first off that im not 24v so I will have to run the camera tethered to a battery belt. My main concern obviously is will the ProVid arm hold the weight. Has anyone out there tried this and do you have any suggestions to making it work ok?


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#2 Brian Dzyak

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 03:12 PM

I have a ProVid too. :)

I don't have the weight of a Millenium + mag + film + lens + accessories, but I have to believe that the arm will not hold it. I just had a fairly stripped down F900 on my rig and it still was a bit too much (body + Miranda + tape + Canon lens + rubber lens shade + viewfinder + Anton Bauer Dionic (thin) + Stanton focus). :blink:

The ProVid seems to work best with the F900R and anything below that weight. :(
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Posted 02 February 2008 - 03:16 PM

Mark,

Not sure of the maximum weight of the Provid arm, but I know it was designed for lighter cameras which the Millennium is not. Assuming you are not talking about the Millenium XL, there is no way. If you convinced production to get you an XL (or a LW) I still don't see it happening. All these cameras require full size rigs.

Good luck.
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#4 Brian Dzyak

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 04:13 PM

Mark,

Not sure of the maximum weight of the Provid arm,



The ProVid maxes out around 26 lbs or so.

If you talk to the guys over at Tiffen, they may be willing give you a rental deal a larger rig for the job. I've also gotten rigs from CAMERA SUPPORT in Burbank.
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#5 RonBaldwin

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 07:14 PM

the mellinium is a bit too beefy for that arm (and maybe that sled, though I have no experience with it). It is about 31 lbs with cables, plates, 400' film, clip-on mb, and a preston focus motor/bracketry (add another 2.5 lbs for the lw zoom or at least 5 lbs for a primo).

You might be able to strip a mellinium xl down to about the wt you need if you use the lw zoom and no accessories, but it will still be pushing the upper limits of that arm.

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#6 Mark Calver

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 02:15 PM

Hey Guys,


Thanks for the responses. So im a little disappointed with the responses i got, thats not what I wanted to hear. I have never out sourced a rig for any job so I'm not quite sure how that works but I think I will look into it. I'm not getting that much pay for the job so If I rent a rig it might not even be worth it. One more question though, knowing that I would be flying the millennium, does anyone have any suggestions of a good rig to rent?

thanks,

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#7 Charles Papert

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 02:37 PM

Mark, not to be negative here, but I'm sure you knew the Provid was a mid-range rig when you got it--why would it be a surprise that it's not able to fly a full-size camera?
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#8 Jason Torbitt

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 02:56 PM

Another issue - correct me if I'm wrong - that the ProVid doesn't have the standard socket block connection as standard - this would presumably also an issue in terms of weight capacity / ability. Most people I know who have ProVids have the standard socket block, but I'm sure that it wasn't a standard thing originally?
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 03:18 PM

Another issue - correct me if I'm wrong - that the ProVid doesn't have the standard socket block connection as standard - this would presumably also an issue in terms of weight capacity / ability. Most people I know who have ProVids have the standard socket block, but I'm sure that it wasn't a standard thing originally?


Sofar i know it was not orignal but a extra !
If you look at the gallery from Mark at picture 8784 you see he has a pin connector.. this is a weaker spot i think ? If so, Mark be carefull !

Best, Erik
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#10 Mark Calver

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 03:46 PM

First off Charles I did know that I was buying a mid range rig when I bought it. Its just that now I am getting into the heavier range cameras and I dont have the money to upgrade, So I am trying to do what I can.

Also I definitely hate The pin connector, I would much rather have the socket block. I Just dont know How difficult that would be to change on the arm side of things. Has anyone out there modified the socket block on the ProVid?

thanks,

Mark

Edited by Mark Calver, 03 February 2008 - 03:47 PM.

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#11 RonBaldwin

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 05:19 PM

I didn't know the pro-vid had the pin/vest connector. I definately wouldn't go over the wt limit of 26 lbs! I checked oout your site and see that you live in Monrovia -- we shot out there on October Road a few days a week this season. Good thing it's hard to get the wga away from the west-side or we'd have been picketed!

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#12 Brian Dzyak

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 05:40 PM

Another issue - correct me if I'm wrong - that the ProVid doesn't have the standard socket block connection as standard - this would presumably also an issue in terms of weight capacity / ability. Most people I know who have ProVids have the standard socket block, but I'm sure that it wasn't a standard thing originally?


Mine still has the old pin socket thing.

I got my ProVid because I really don't need more than that for the work I do. For the price and ease of setup, it was perfect. Anything more expensive and suddenly I'm working to pay it off instead of it making money for me. It's limiting, but I'm also not out to be a dedicated Steadicam Operator either. It's a tool in the arsenal. Nothing more, nothing less. :)

Having said that, I would like to get a better vest and arm someday just for the expanded versatility. An HD monitor would be cool too, but I have to find something affordable that will fit on the existing monitor configuration.
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 06:30 PM

Mark, I?m afraid that the real can of worms lies behind your ?I'm not getting that much pay for the job so If I rent a rig it might not even be worth it.?

Believe me, I am telling you with the very best of intentions that you should AT LEAST be getting that much, on a paying job that shoots 35mm and can afford a Millennium.

Or?you could bite the bullet, rent a rig, do the best work you can on the day (although an unfamiliar rig will not really help on that front), savor the experience, learn as much as you can and be gracious for the opportunity.

Otherwise, you are denying the project of the quality and mindset they might deserve, and more importantly you are depriving a fellow operator of an opportunity and perhaps of a more decent paycheck.

I am not criticizing in any way, Iots of operators have been there too many times (myself included), but it never felt quite right, and it always came with a big price in the end.


Michael.
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#14 Philip J. Martinez SOC

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 08:45 PM

I think Pro rents a rig for $600.00

http://www.pro-gpi.com/rentgpi.htm

Good luck
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#15 Mark Calver

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Posted 04 February 2008 - 01:05 AM

I think Pro rents a rig for $600.00

http://www.pro-gpi.com/rentgpi.htm

Good luck



Camera Support rents a Master Series for $500.00 Does any one out there know anything lower? Or is that my best option.
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