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#1 petrified

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Posted 17 June 2004 - 01:39 AM

Hi, I'm kinda new to the forum. As to my question, i was wondering whether you guys have any ideas with regard to the best way to balance the rig out? suggestions please??

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#2 Nikk Hearn-Sutton SOC

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Posted 17 June 2004 - 03:26 AM

Did you even bother to read the manual or watch the tape????? Not to be crude but DAMN MAN!!!!!!!!!! :angry: and thats a weighted question(no pun intended) but it depends on what cam your using also.
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 11:37 AM

Hey, c'mon now. What if this person didn't get a new rig with a tape? Nothing wrong with asking the more basic questions- we all have our own way of accomplishing this, right?

I tend to ascribe to the theory that it's a back- and forth. Can't set a drop rate till I balance out the rig in the other two axis ( or, get close ). Can't get close with those two axis until I rough out a drop rate- otherwise the rig won't settle right. So, its a back and forthing for a few moments till things come into being very close. Then I make small adjustments, trying to keep the elements in balance statically if not dynamically.

petrified, there are things to look at on the Steadicam Operators' Association web site- I believe that Jerry Holway's dynamic balance paper can be linked in there. There is a right way to have a Steadicam sit, but getting there? There is no set right way, there are certain things you have to do to get there. What order you do them in should be entirely up to you.

Good luck, please tell us what rig you fly?

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Posted 17 June 2004 - 12:10 PM

I'm with Peter on this one, there is no need to bust balls on what we would consider the most basic things one should know before handling a rig, remember, there's no such thing as a stupid question, wether it's how to balance a rig or whats Don Juan... ;)
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#5 Nikk Hearn-Sutton SOC

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Posted 17 June 2004 - 03:10 PM

POINT TAKEN Peter and Karlo!!!! Petrified, MY APOLOGIES SINCERLY!!! It was just I did'nt even think about it not coming with a tape or manual especailly if its used.Is it?
Any way now that I got the crap kicked out of me by fellow Ops!?! :unsure: , For ME it's hard to expain the process you do just in letters to balance the rig out. Now if I was expaining it while I'm doing it, that would be a different story, but there are and I forgot what it's called and I'm looking right at it, CYBERCAM that it I had a Jessica Simpson moment, maybe myself or other Ops could do that for you to help you out. Again sorry about my first post. I can admit when I've done wrong and especially to a fellow Steadi Op. Good luck and keep flying!!!!!!

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#6 petrified

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Posted 17 June 2004 - 09:02 PM

Hey guys,

Thanks for the suggestions and such. Basically, i have just started learning the steadicam. I've learnt to balance out the rig using the fore-aft and side-to-side settings and such and tweaking the arm so as to avoid chasing the sled around and also adjust the drop rate. Kinda got the concept down. Just need more practice on it??or would you guys have any tips?? :)

I've enjoyed my experience on the steadicam itself and i was looking to sign up for courses like the one in maine or the malibu classic. haha.till then. I have been using the master film series. And please do forgive my inexperience. I'm only 19?
Young dumb and full of cum??as some people may say??Haha!!
Thanks again!
:)

Cheers,
Jimmy

I wished i owned my own steadicam <_<
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#7 Nikk Hearn-Sutton SOC

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 07:23 AM

Well my friend, @ 19 I was still in college and didnt know where or what I'd be doin but I wish I would of gotten into it then instead of noe but as they always say.... BETTER LATE THAN NEVER but atleast your doing it some 19 yr olds are only trying to get into one thing and so am I but the difference is with ALOT of practice and asking question and as Karlo said there's no such thing as a stupid question.
when it come with experience all that come in time so take your OWN pace not someone elses and HAVE FUN :D!!! And by the way....I've only been a op for about 10months so I'm a NEWBIE also but from what I've learn from my mistakes and errors and talking to the guys here I've bettered myself as an operator.
NO WORRIES my man NO WORRIES!!!

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 11:49 PM

Dang!
19 years old and you get to play with a Master Film?? You're in a great situation, I would say get your hands on a manual, besides the drop time, side to side, and fore aft you also have your thumb screws and bolt adjusdtments at the socket block that will affect the float of your rig and Peter mentioned the dynamic balance primer that's available on this site. I own the same rig and she is a joy to fly, I've been oping for about the same amount of time as Nikk and I know that just like in camera oping, learning is an ongoing process and there are plenty of great new tricks to discover, both thru your colleauges and on your own.
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#9 petrified

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Posted 19 June 2004 - 01:02 AM

Hey Nikk and Karlotomic,

Thanks for the pointers and such! well, i'm 19 and i'm finishing up my final year in college doing Film, Sound, and Video course. Been working on a couple of freelance jobs covering events and doing some shorts and stuff. I kinda life flying the rig with a drop time of a second or slightly more. Been practicing on it and such. Getting pretty used to the movement and such. One thing that i'm addicted to is whip panning. Just can't stop. LOL. Well yea, really apprecieate the pointers!! I've tons of stuff to learn from you guys man!! Thanks!! :)

Cheers,
Jimmy
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#10 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 19 June 2004 - 02:58 AM

I kinda life flying the rig with a drop time of a second or slightly more. Been practicing on it and such. Getting pretty used to the movement and such. One thing that i'm addicted to is whip panning. Just can't stop. LOL. Well yea, really apprecieate the pointers!! I've tons of stuff to learn from you guys man!! Thanks!! :)

One Second drop time??? That's not operating and the rig flys like garbage when you have a drop that short.

Learn to operate Neutral as in ZERO Drop time....


BTW There is a forum now for basic questions....
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#11 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 19 June 2004 - 03:07 AM

Hey Nikk and Karlotomic,

Thanks for the pointers and such! well, i'm 19 and i'm finishing up my final year in college doing Film, Sound, and Video course. Been working on a couple of freelance jobs covering events and doing some shorts and stuff. I kinda life flying the rig with a drop time of a second or slightly more. Been practicing on it and such. Getting pretty used to the movement and such. One thing that i'm addicted to is whip panning. Just can't stop. LOL. Well yea, really apprecieate the pointers!! I've tons of stuff to learn from you guys man!! Thanks!! :)

Cheers,
Jimmy

BTW things like this belong in the new Steadicam Newbies Forum


Thanks!



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