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#1 Afton Grant

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 02:06 PM

Not sure if this would be an ad for Apple, AT&T, or the new age of outdoor sports.

Although it can be a great escape from the pace of the city, hunting can sometimes leave you with a lot of thinking time to fill. While sitting on the ground for 9 hours at the edge of a clearing in the woods of New Hampshire this past weekend, I found myself with several bars of service on my iPhone. Not being one to get behind on my online reading, I stopped by my favorite website. Ain't technology great?

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...and in case you were wondering - no, I didn't get anything. Email me for the list of excuses.

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#2 Matt Burton

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 04:16 PM

Wow the only thing missing from that picture is a dear with an AK.
Not impressed.
But thats just my opinion, im sure you have your own reasons to justify the slaughter of innocent animals.
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Edited by Matt Burton, 19 November 2007 - 04:18 PM.

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#3 Jess Haas SOC

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 06:11 PM

Afton, I think you may need an intervention ;-)

Wow the only thing missing from that picture is a dear with an AK.

That would be awesome :-)

Not impressed.
But thats just my opinion, im sure you have your own reasons to justify the slaughter of innocent animals.
Peace

As long as you don't eat meat then I can understand that opinion. Commercial feed lots, etc. are much more cruel than hunting wild animals. It seems like when you buy meet these days they do everything possible to hide the fact that it was once an animal. If you are going to eat meat I think it is a good idea to have some connection with where it comes from. Just my opinion though.

Did you hear that Rob Zombie recorded a message for PETA? Apparently he thinks the way Turkeys are treated is cruel so he gave up eating them. Not exactly what you expect from this face: http://www.edmonds.w.....ob Zombie.gif

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#4 Bryan Fowler

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 06:11 PM

But thats just my opinion, im sure you have your own reasons to justify the slaughter of innocent animals.
Peace


[disclaimer] I don't hunt, and I'm a vegetarian. [/disclaimer]

One benefit from hunting is population control of the animals. It's easier to shoot and eat them, than to catch them, snip off their jibblets, and let them go. :P That's also one of the reasons hunting is a controlled sport, so that those people that keep up with the deer census can tell those hunters where to hunt.

I've never met Afton personally, but I truly doubt he's slaughtering deer. ...that is, if you mean slaughter in the "killing a large number of deer indiscriminately" sense.

If you mean slaughter in the "kill the animal to use for food" then I don't see how that's different than going to the supermarket for a pack of ribs. (at least the deer lived in the woods, and not in a slaughter house)

(I'm typing this as I slaughter a defenseless tomato, and pear, and an avacado. The poor guys never had a chance :rolleyes: )

Just my 5cents worth.
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#5 Jess Haas SOC

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 06:52 PM

[disclaimer] I don't hunt, and I'm a vegetarian. [/disclaimer]

Now you have guilted me in to it. For the sake of full disclosure I feel that I must admit that I am about to go get some barbecue. A cow who previously wandered a ranch in Texas, a pig and some potatoes were slaughtered for the sole purpose of making something tasty for me to eat.

Luckily in Texas we have so much space that most of the beef is the free range grass fed variety because thats the easiest and cheapest way to do it. I try to get organic meat when I can but that can be a tough thing to do sometimes.

I totally understand why people are vegetarians and actually agree with PETA on a lot of things, but I like my meat too much to ever be anything but a "Texas Vegetarian" (the only meat they eat is barbecue). I was born and raised in Texas after all.

All this talk is making me even hungrier so I am off to eat some animals. If only the barbecue place by my house had venison...

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#6 Stephen Press

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 07:15 PM

Vegetarian is nightmare for me. I have a bunch of food intolerances including lettuce? I kid you not? onion and any grape or grape based products, yet for some reason I am the first call from friends on any wine trail, so I love my meat.
Ironically my sister runs a farm sanctuary where nobody gets eaten.
Pakuratahi Farm Animal Sanctuary

So while I understand both sides I try to convince myself meat appears magically in the supermarket and has nothing at all to do with suffering or animals in any way shape or form?
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#7 Afton Grant

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 08:44 PM

Yikes. I never intended to begin an ethical debate. Perhaps I shouldn't share my pictures of me browsing the forum from recent capital punishment, abortion, and gay marriage conventions.

Thanks Bryan for the defense, all of which is spot on. Opponents of the activity are often motivated by plain emotion, which is understandable, just not supportive of a good argument. Before saying "nay", I'll encourage anyone to read up on wildlife management, population and carrying capacity. You'll find that not only is hunting a tradition dating back to the beginning of man, but it's actually quite necessary to sustain the health of an ecosystem. And as a few have touched on, anyone not 100% vegetarian is being hypocritical when opposing hunting. Read up on how meat of any kind goes from animal to grocery store. You'll find hunting is probably the most humane way for any animal to make its way to the dinner table.
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#8 Martin Stacey

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 12:32 AM

I like innocent deer and AK's as well. They taste yummy and AK's kill them pretty well.

Still trying to figure out how you took that picture Afton. It's that extra arm that you have that makes your operating so good isn't it?

Now your secret's out :ph34r:

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#9 Kris Torch Wilson

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 12:57 AM

If God hadn't intended for us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of meat. Shoot to kill.

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#10 Joshua Harrison

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 02:13 AM

Meat is murder.

tasty, tasty murder.

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#11 David Allen Grove

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 11:18 AM

Meat is murder.

tasty, tasty murder.


No more family guy (or Simpon's for that matter) for you, for at least a month! ;)

Too funny.

Have you ever swatted and killed a mosquito that landed on your arm? Aren't they animals too?
(oh, you know what I mean..) ha
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#12 Matt Burton

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 12:44 PM

My problem is purely with people who hunt for sport !
If your hunting to feed your family then I have great respect for you.
If you just enjoy say 'killing' then fine, that tells me a lot about you.
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#13 Jess Haas SOC

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 01:07 PM

Do you eat meat?

Most people who hunt do it for both of those reasons. They could just go to the grocery store and buy meat, but they enjoy hunting for it themselves some of the time. Which myself and others believe is actually more humane for the animals involved than buying it at the grocery store. I don't see how killing animals is any more morally objectionable than having someone else kill it for you. The later doesn't make you any less responsible for the animals death and I personally think it says a lot about a person if they can't stomach the idea of animals being killed so they have other people do it for them and try to ignore the fact that what they were eating was ever alive.

I don't hunt, but I have no problem with people that do as long as they do it in a responsible manner.

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Edited by Jess Haas, 20 November 2007 - 01:08 PM.

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#14 Afton Grant

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 04:02 PM

My problem is purely with people who hunt for sport !
If your hunting to feed your family then I have great respect for you.
If you just enjoy say 'killing' then fine, that tells me a lot about you.


There are very few people in this country and other developed countries that NEED to hunt. It is absolutely a sport, but not one performed simply to quench one's thirst for blood. Yes, like with any group of people there will be a few bad apples that tend to spoil things for the rest, but predominantly those that hunt do so out of far more positive reasons, including a great respect for nature. I can see how that may sound contradictory when the goal of a hunt is to kill some of that very nature, but again I encourage you to read up on some of the topics I mentioned above. I don't expect to change your ultimate opinion, but perhaps you would be a little more educated about the benefits of the sport, and moreso the consequences if it did not exist. It is difficult to argue with emotion.
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#15 Matt Burton

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 05:52 PM

So you can tell me you don't feel a little guilty just after you have shot bambi in the face ? :unsure:
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