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#1 Tally Barr

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Posted 14 November 2007 - 09:28 PM

Hi everyone-
I have a flyer rig and shoot mostly on an HVX200. MY shots are okay for a newbie but I was told the more weight I have on the rig the better shots I'll likely get. Is this true? Don't want to punish my back with anymore lbs than I need to but I'm willing to give it a shot- what add-ons would be good for extra weight? Currntly I use two Anton Bauer bricks for ballast and usually have a wide angle lens on the camera and AB ElightZ battery.
thanks!
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#2 Brandon Thompson

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Posted 14 November 2007 - 10:34 PM

T Barr,
I also have a flyer and yes it does fly better with more weight. I had a weight plate made from a scrap peice of steel about 1/4 inch thick by 5 inch by 8 inch. I think mine weighed in at 8lbs. plus my 4.5lbs dvx100 =12.5 lbs and that flew very nicely. Now I have the HVX200 with M2 lens adapter with BFD follow focus so it weighs in just over 15 and flies awesome. Which AB batteries are you using? Oh, I don't know your medical history, but the more you wear the rig the more your back gets use to the weight.

good luck,
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#3 Kevin Packer

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Posted 14 November 2007 - 10:48 PM

One easy way I found to add weight to a Flyer with a miniDV camera was to simply duct tape a scuba weight or two to the camera handle.
One thing to look out for with this though is that the weight isn't shifting around on you. So just make sure you do a real solid taping job.
Adding even one 5 pound wieght will make a real difference in the feel, with more mass the flyer will start to feel less finicky, and more like a bigger rig, I'd even take it to it's max just so you can feel what it's like.

hope this helps

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#4 Jerry Holway

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Posted 15 November 2007 - 09:00 AM

Don't want to punish my back with anymore lbs than I need to but
T Barr

Tally-

It's very disturbing that you say "Don't want to punish my back" - especially with a light rig like the Flyer.

With ANY sled at any weight up to about 70 pounds, you should not be punishing your back AT ALL. Even then, it should only be your legs building up lactic acid... your back should be fine.

With proper technique, you should only be mildly exercising your back, in the best possible posture, with ZERO impact - PERFECT exercise for your back.

With improper technique and/or equipment, of course, you may be "punishing" your back, just as you might when, without a Steadicam, lift any load improperly.

Have you had proper training?

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#5 Lohengrin Zapiain

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 01:32 PM

Amen to that Jerry!

I'm kind of getting tired explaining to people that Steadicam IS NOT hard for the back although it might be a bit hard for your legs and knees...
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#6 soren k jensen

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 08:49 AM

Janice Arthur suggests using a 'skirt' to stabilise. Haven't tried it yet, but will soon: http://www.steadicam...x...57&hl=skirt
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#7 Janice Arthur

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 10:48 PM

Soren;

I'm working on that idea now so we'll see if it was a good idea or a bad one. I get a chance to "play" with a flyer this week.

I have tried it in simple configurations now I'm going to try it on the real thing.

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#8 chris fawcett

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 03:37 AM

Hi Tally,

If you want to keep the camera close to the gimbal, put the weight as high as you can. If you have a camera-handle low-mode bracket, mount it, and add weight to that.

If you care about your back, and your operating, take a workshop.

Fly safe,

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#9 Janice Arthur

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 12:09 PM

Janice Arthur suggests using a 'skirt' to stabilise. Haven't tried it yet, but will soon: http://www.steadicam...x...57&hl=skirt


Hi all;

Several details of the flyer (or lighter rigs in general).

1) a two second drop time gives the operator more "feedback" about the rig.

2) This added "feedback" about how the rig is behaving tends to make the operator less prone to "over controlling" the rig. This "over" manuvering the rig seems to be the problem with the lighter rigs. In absence of the mass of bigger rigs I think you need more rig feed back and because they weigh so little; all the other details of tilt, etc can be overcome with general operating skills.

3) my new idea of four "baffles' of felt (6")material spaced about an inch apart does seem to help dampen the rig some.

4) I'm still experimenting with my fabric baffles. Clearly one length of fabric is too few.

More later.

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#10 soren k jensen

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 07:33 AM

I haven't had time to try Janice's skirt on ;-) -Apparently neither has Janice. Anyway, another suggestion is to use antlers. For a Flyer they wouldn't have to be as long or heavy as on the larger rigs. Just my '2 ører' (danish cents...)
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#11 Peter Hoare

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 01:06 PM

I will be getting my flyer this week hopefully, and I will be using an FX1 for practice. I was planning on adding extra weight to help simulate the larger cameras. Is this a good idea? I was going to mount the camera onto a 15mm rod support system and then attach weights to the rods with strong spring clamps or similar....
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#12 James Elias

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 05:42 AM

Peter:

Adding extra weight is fine and a lot of operators do it on their bigger rigs with a weight cage. Maybe you could get a weight plate made up? I know of a few people who can help you with that.

If you're picking your flyer up this week - I'll see you in the office!

Best regards
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#13 Alfeo Dixon SOC

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 09:28 AM

I will be getting my flyer this week hopefully, and I will be using an FX1 for practice. I was planning on adding extra weight to help simulate the larger cameras. Is this a good idea? I was going to mount the camera onto a 15mm rod support system and then attach weights to the rods with strong spring clamps or similar....


One idea i've been toying around in my head is using scuba weights. They come in these compacted shot bags which can easily be formed around objects and gaffe taped. Have not tried them but it seams like one of the better solutions that ridged rods and spring clamps which could protrude from your rig and get caught on objects

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#14 Peter Hoare

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 04:00 PM

Mmm this is my chosen method (so far)
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Mmm, classy.

Im not sure I would trust those divers bags, its probably steel shot inside, which would shift about inside and screw up the balance.... Maybe a big steel shim, about half an inch thick to go between the camera and the flyers plate would work as an additional weight...
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