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#1 brooksrobinson

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Posted 26 July 2007 - 11:26 AM

I am on location in Hawaii for the next three months and seem to have misplaced Paul Dudeck's email address, so forgive me for posting this here, but maybe someone can help me figure this out. I have a Dionic 90 that is acting up. The display on the side of the battery blinks on and off, and our loader says the charger (A/B TWQ 4) doesn't acknowlege the battery. The loader has tried it on all four of my chargers (TWQ 4's) with the same luck. Does anyone have any thoughts? Thanks in advance.

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#2 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 26 July 2007 - 02:02 PM

I am on location in Hawaii for the next three months and seem to have misplaced Paul Dudeck's email address, so forgive me for posting this here, but maybe someone can help me figure this out. I have a Dionic 90 that is acting up. The display on the side of the battery blinks on and off, and our loader says the charger (A/B TWQ 4) doesn't acknowlege the battery. The loader has tried it on all four of my chargers (TWQ 4's) with the same luck. Does anyone have any thoughts? Thanks in advance.

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661-904-4788 cell (turned off during the day except for lunch)


Brooks that means the battery has tripped it's over current protection. If it doesn't reset when put on the charger use a paperclip in the small hole next to the display to reset the protection board.

Pauls email is pdudeck@AntonBauer.com
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#3 Joshua Harrison

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Posted 17 September 2007 - 10:00 AM

Hey all,

I'm sure this is covered somewhere but a search did not produce an answer. How many cycles can you get out of a Dionic 90?

Thanks!

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#4 Chip Monk

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Posted 17 September 2007 - 11:37 AM

Hey all,

I'm sure this is covered somewhere but a search did not produce an answer. How many cycles can you get out of a Dionic 90?

Thanks!

Joshua Harrison


It seems that Lithium batteries can go for about 150 to 200 cycles, but seem to "wear out" after about 50. Granted, they're still better than older technology, they just seem to lose a little bit of that power after a while.

Our IDX's used to power the Varicam for almost a day of regular shooting, now slightly under a half day, but that's still better than the NiMH stuff.

Do a search for the genesis, I think it was discussed there.

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#5 Ron L Rathbone

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Posted 17 September 2007 - 01:47 PM

Hey all,

I'm sure this is covered somewhere but a search did not produce an answer. How many cycles can you get out of a Dionic 90?

Thanks!

Joshua Harrison


Hello Joshua,

On a good day, about 200 charge - discharge cycles IF they are Panasonic, Sanyo, or Moli. Joshua, we are a battery assembler and assemble new battery packs as well as hundreds of rebuilds of battery packs per week. We see everything and learn the history on the packs being rebuilt. There may be exceptions but they are just that, exceptions.
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Dionic 90 Recell:
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Info within our article The Negatives of Lithium Ion:

http://www.rathbonee...ion/lithium.htm

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#6 Lawrence Karman

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 09:47 PM

Had a problem with my Dionic batteries I have not experienced before: 8 month old Dioncs were fresh off the charger. Tried to power up the PV Liteweight on the PRO rig this morning and nothing happened. No power to the camera. The battery displays started flashing on/off. Pulled the breakers and the batteries stopped flashing.I tried 6 batteries and got the same result. I replaced 1 Dionic with 1 Proformer Nicad on the rig, hit the breakers and the camera ran. Went back to the Dionic and no more problems all day.Outside temperature was in the 40s F. What's going on here?
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#7 Jens Piotrowski SOC

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 10:25 PM

Dionics don't work on Sundays before 10AM :rolleyes:
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#8 Jess Haas SOC

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 11:57 PM

Based on what Eric Fletcher said it sounds like the camera was pulling too much power for the batteries to handle so the over current protection was tripping(or something like that). It would make sense that once the camera warmed up a bit and had a chance to get the lube flowing it wouldn't draw quite as much power. There could have been something funky with the camera that was causing it to draw too much power that fixed itself once the extra boost from the Nicad got it going. While all batteries perform poorly in the cold I believe Lithium ions are particularly bad which could have contributed to the problem.

I could be way off, but something along those lines would be my guess.

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#9 Christopher T. Paul- SOC

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 09:10 AM

Hey Brooks,

This reply is probably too late in coming, but I just saw your post today for the first time.

I have had similar issues with my Dionics, and when I spoke to Anton/Bauer in CT, they told me to try to "awaken" the battery by putting it on the charger for 2 minutes, then take it off for 10-15 seconds, repeat this 5 times in a row, and on the 5th time to leave the battery charging for 1 full hour uninterrupted.

It didn't help my batteries, but maybe you'll have better luck.

Oddly, for the second time in 2 years, Anton/Bauer told me that I had moisture problems inside my dionics- once with a new battery that I never put into circulation. Has anyone else had "moisture problems" with their dionics?

Cheers,

CP
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#10 brooksrobinson

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 10:47 AM

Christopher,

Thanks for the tip. I ended up sending the battery back to Anton Bauer as all of the usual "in the field" tricks didn't work and the battery was still under warantee. They turned it around for me and it has been working well ever since.

I haven't had any moisture issues like you've mentioned. I've been in Hawaii for the past three months (heading home at the end of this week for another month in L.A.) under all kinds of crazy conditions. One of our main sets was located a mile from the wettest spot on earth (Mount Waialeale on Kauai). We aren't shooting in the rain, but have had up to 16 rain delays per day. We have been in mud up to our ankles at best and much higher than that at worst. We spent the last week shooting in a river up to my knees with the rig. So far, nothing moisture related - knock on wood!

Thanks to everybody for their help.

Brooks Robinson
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#11 Lawrence Karman

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 03:55 PM

Dionics don't work on Sundays before 10AM :rolleyes:



Wish I didn't have to either. Thanks for the responses. I didn't see Eric's post until just now and that would explain it. No problems today so far.
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