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#1 Brian D. Goff

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 02:23 PM

Attached File  360_Xtreme.jpg   42.04KB   308 downloadsShipping in approx 12 weeks. Fits most "Stabilizer" systems.

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 02:59 PM

when I was first told about the Alien in 2000, that's how I thought it worked. It would be fun to see in action (and get through a doorway).

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#3 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 03:03 PM

Shipping in approx 12 weeks. Fits most "Stabilizer" systems.



You do realize that what you are showing is also a violation of Lynn's patent.
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Posted 10 July 2007 - 03:11 PM

Would be nice to try it !
Anybody got any experiance with the new actioncam system ?
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#5 Brian D. Goff

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 03:59 PM

Shipping in approx 12 weeks. Fits most "Stabilizer" systems.



You do realize that what you are showing is also a violation of Lynn's patent.


Hi Eric

It is definitely not a violation of Lynn's patent - The solution to rotate a camera like we do on the "360 Xtreme" is fundamental technical knowledge used by any camera remote head (in fact, it is just the same as the tilt part of a remote head). This can not be patented.

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#6 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 04:21 PM

Shipping in approx 12 weeks. Fits most "Stabilizer" systems.



You do realize that what you are showing is also a violation of Lynn's patent.


Hi Eric

It is definitely not a violation of Lynn's patent - The solution to rotate a camera like we do on the "360 Xtreme" is fundamental technical knowledge used by any camera remote head (in fact, it is just the same as the tilt part of a remote head). This can not be patented.

Brian



You might want to brush up on your patent law Brian. Lynn's patent covers the concept of high to low inversion as applied to a camera stabilizer that use's a gimbal to access the cameras center of gravity i.e. A Steadicam
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#7 RonBaldwin

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 04:52 PM

is the tilt controlled exclusively by the op or is it software/sensors? Both?

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#8 Brian D. Goff

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 04:57 PM

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You might want to brush up on your patent law Brian. Lynn's patent covers the concept of high to low inversion as applied to a camera stabilizer that use's a gimbal to access the cameras center of gravity i.e. A Steadicam
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Patents cover technical solutions to achieve a certain result. A concept in general can not be patented - if this were not so, we would only have monopolists. Lynn's patent covers Lynn's detailed technical solution only. GPI had the same problem with CP - GPI won, because CP could not patent the "concept". In the end it's all for the lawyers and in the end it's only the lawyers that win (sad but true). By the way, didn't we have this discussion before about the back-mounted vest? I'm still here and nobody sued me - why, because you can't patent a concept, only the very details of how you solve a problem - I know my patent law:).
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#9 Brian D. Goff

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 05:03 PM

is the tilt controlled exclusively by the op or is it software/sensors? Both?

rb



Yes it's controlled exclusively by the operator - sounds hard to do? I was surprised how easy it is, but it does take practice (like doing zoom and focus with a J7 on a steadicam).
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#10 Lukas Franz

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 05:23 PM

Hi Brian,

I'd like to come over to Basel and try it out. I'm very curious about your new invention. :blink:

Do you already have one for demo use?


Cheers, Lukas


Eric: We shouldn't start another trial here about patents, rights and laws. We should appreciate new tools in any kind. And as you should know, we Swiss guys build precise and high technical stuff. :D We don't copy stuff like some friends from Far East ;) And I'm shure Brian didn't want to copy anything or anybody. With all my respect. :)
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Posted 11 July 2007 - 04:40 AM

Would it not be possible to have the camera fixed by gravity so their would be no need to tilt by remote ?
-matt
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#12 Brian D. Goff

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 05:00 AM

Would it not be possible to have the camera fixed by gravity so their would be no need to tilt by remote ?
-matt


It then starts to swing. And it's realy cool to beable to tilt the camera in the desired position.
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#13 Brian D. Goff

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 05:04 AM

Hi Brian,

I'd like to come over to Basel and try it out. I'm very curious about your new invention. :blink:

Do you already have one for demo use?


Cheers, Lukas



Lukas, The prototype unit is alread disasembled and at my mechanic for referance. I should have the demo film online sometime today. In about 10 Weeks the first batch will be finished - drop me an email and I contact you once we're ready: info@actionproducts.ch

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#14 Brian D. Goff

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 09:36 AM

A short demo clip done with the ActionCam "360 Xtreme" is now online:

http://actionproduct...i...2&Itemid=85

It's not a "master piece", it was the result of my first 1h with the proto type mashine. I think it shows what is possible and with a little more practice, it will be a great add-on to any stabilizer system.

enjoy

Edited by Brian D. Goff, 11 July 2007 - 09:38 AM.

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#15 Matt Burton

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 11:50 AM

Would it not be possible to have the camera fixed by gravity so their would be no need to tilt by remote ?
-matt


It then starts to swing. And it's realy cool to beable to tilt the camera in the desired position.


Hey Brian,
I was thinking more of a pully system like on some budget jibs could be a practical solution and would have zero swing.
In practice i'm sure it's not this simple i'm just thinking out load really.
Tilting with a remote just seems like it could leave quite a bit of room for error, but then again maybe just something else to master.

-matt

Edited by Matt Burton, 11 July 2007 - 11:56 AM.

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