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#1 Steve Minnick

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 10:48 PM

has anybody used a specific mount for the Firestore with this set-up? I was looking at several products. Focus enhancments make one....but I was thinking that a Jimmy box cage might be better in terms of the stabilty when on a Steadicam.

here are the 3 options I was looking at:



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http://www.bhphotovi...r...8819&is=REG

http://www.bhphotovi...r...3324&is=REG


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Posted 22 June 2007 - 11:45 PM

has anybody used a specific mount for the Firestore with this set-up? I was looking at several products. Focus enhancments make one....but I was thinking that a Jimmy box cage might be better in terms of the stabilty when on a Steadicam.


Hi Steve, you should look at the solutions offered by Zacuto for mounting the FS100, they've really masted the accessory market for the HVX200. I have two HVX cine-style packages with the FS100 but I've never tried to fly them with the FS100 on-board.

IMHO, the Jimmy box cage is going to raise your mass and CG which could be problematic. If you could mount it on one of their plates and more to the rear on the same level as the camera I think you would be better off. Flying it tethered would suck as well since most FW cable is stiff.
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#3 Steve Minnick

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 12:37 AM

Robert- thanks for the feedback. Interesting- I would have thought that mounting the Firestore under or on top of the camera would be more stable. The thing that worries me about putting it on an arm behind the camera is that it would have to be rock solid or it would constantly be throwing off the balance of the rig. ...

maybe the Focus Enhancements Camera Mount with it's hot shoe and cradle is the easiest and most economical solution? The firestore would sit about an inch on top of the camera.

Are you worried that the cage (Jimmy Box) is too big height wise or simply the weight of it that would cause the shift in CG?

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 11:58 AM

The thing that worries me about putting it on an arm behind the camera is that it would have to be rock solid or it would constantly be throwing off the balance of the rig. ...

Are you worried that the cage (Jimmy Box) is too big height wise or simply the weight of it that would cause the shift in CG?


I was not really thinking about putting it on one of their arms, but more like mounted flat to one of their plates in some fashion; a bit like you'd mount a focus motor control box. Raising the height of the camera with the cage is what I was referring to. They (Zacuto) have a booth at CineGear so I'll drop by there today and see what they recommend.

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 08:55 PM

The thing that worries me about putting it on an arm behind the camera is that it would have to be rock solid or it would constantly be throwing off the balance of the rig. ...

Are you worried that the cage (Jimmy Box) is too big height wise or simply the weight of it that would cause the shift in CG?


I was not really thinking about putting it on one of their arms, but more like mounted flat to one of their plates in some fashion; a bit like you'd mount a focus motor control box. Raising the height of the camera with the cage is what I was referring to. They (Zacuto) have a booth at CineGear so I'll drop by there today and see what they recommend.



cool...let me know what they say. The firestore one I believe has a screw hole on the back of it so it would be laying flat above the camera handle in the cradle...how rock solid it is though is anybody's guess.

here's a pic of the back of the firestore cradle http://store.zacuto....c...at=0&page=1


I was hoping that somebody may have used this set-up.

Well- keep me posted.

Steve

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 11:40 PM

The thing that worries me about putting it on an arm behind the camera is that it would have to be rock solid or it would constantly be throwing off the balance of the rig. ...

Are you worried that the cage (Jimmy Box) is too big height wise or simply the weight of it that would cause the shift in CG?


I was not really thinking about putting it on one of their arms, but more like mounted flat to one of their plates in some fashion; a bit like you'd mount a focus motor control box. Raising the height of the camera with the cage is what I was referring to. They (Zacuto) have a booth at CineGear so I'll drop by there today and see what they recommend.



cool...let me know what they say. The firestore one I believe has a screw hole on the back of it so it would be laying flat above the camera handle in the cradle...how rock solid it is though is anybody's guess.

here's a pic of the back of the firestore cradle http://store.zacuto....c...at=0&page=1


I was hoping that somebody may have used this set-up.

Well- keep me posted.

Steve


Steve,
I would agree with Robert and try to mount on the back of the camera. Here is another alternative to Zacuto. The Micro Accessory Pod from the guys at Redrock Micro. It has 1/4 and 3/8 mounting holes. So I would get a 1/2'' or 3/4'' screw and come up from the bottom of that plate and mount that firestore cradle to the Micro Accessory Pod. I also agree with roberts point on the CG if you mount on top/bottom of camera. Good Luck.

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#7 Robert Starling SOC

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Posted 24 June 2007 - 01:36 AM

I was not really thinking about putting it on one of their arms, but more like mounted flat to one of their plates in some fashion; a bit like you'd mount a focus motor control box. Raising the height of the camera with the cage is what I was referring to. They (Zacuto) have a booth at CineGear so I'll drop by there today and see what they recommend.


Steve, I went to the Zacuto booth and we configured something along the lines I was talking about. Keep in mind when looking at these images that the rear mounting rods would be shorter and the little riser rod would be shorter too, lowering the FS100 1/2 inch. This is about as strong of a mount as you can get for that set up and the CG would be more in-line with that of the camera itself.

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Posted 24 June 2007 - 08:46 AM

I was not really thinking about putting it on one of their arms, but more like mounted flat to one of their plates in some fashion; a bit like you'd mount a focus motor control box. Raising the height of the camera with the cage is what I was referring to. They (Zacuto) have a booth at CineGear so I'll drop by there today and see what they recommend.


Steve, I went to the Zacuto booth and we configured something along the lines I was talking about. Keep in mind when looking at these images that the rear mounting rods would be shorter and the little riser rod would be shorter too, lowering the FS100 1/2 inch. This is about as strong of a mount as you can get for that set up and the CG would be more in-line with that of the camera itself.

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Jeez- thanks for the research Robert...I really do appreciate it! I think I could get away without the extension rods in the back as you say although I'm not sure the mount would be long enough off the back to lay the Firestore down like it is in the picture...and I guess the riser would be shorter like you said although you do need some type of screw mount to attach to the cradle.

...and I thought I'd get away with a $100 solution.... ha ha


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