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#1 Christopher T. Paul- SOC

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 11:13 AM

Hey Folks,

My 5 year-old Master Series vest is getting a bit squeaky up at the top clips (where the over-the shoulder clasps onto the hard mount front of the vest). I have used a lubricant spray in the past on my arm, but it isn't helping here for this particlular problem, any advice out there?

Thanks in advance.

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#2 Matt Mouraud

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Posted 21 June 2007 - 12:00 PM

Same here with the new Ultra vest (not the Ultra2).
It makes a "tac-tac-tac" noise (but not a squeak) especially when the sled is held slightly away from the vest (i.e. going through a door). I've lubed up everything, it still does it. Not a problem outside, definately a problem in a quiet environment.
The sound engineer on the feature I'm working on is very picky, and he noticed it right away... The more I think about it, the more I will go for a Klassen.
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Posted 21 June 2007 - 01:41 PM

Matt,

Are Klassen vests known to be very quiet?

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Same here with the new Ultra vest (not the Ultra2).
It makes a "tac-tac-tac" noise (but not a squeak) especially when the sled is held slightly away from the vest (i.e. going through a door). I've lubed up everything, it still does it. Not a problem outside, definately a problem in a quiet environment.
The sound engineer on the feature I'm working on is very picky, and he noticed it right away... The more I think about it, the more I will go for a Klassen.


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#4 Matt Mouraud

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 05:38 AM

Matt,

Are Klassen vests known to be very quiet?

-Dave

Same here with the new Ultra vest (not the Ultra2).
It makes a "tac-tac-tac" noise (but not a squeak) especially when the sled is held slightly away from the vest (i.e. going through a door). I've lubed up everything, it still does it. Not a problem outside, definately a problem in a quiet environment.
The sound engineer on the feature I'm working on is very picky, and he noticed it right away... The more I think about it, the more I will go for a Klassen.


Purely based on design I would think so, having tried one I didn't notice any noise... But since I don't own one, I can't really comment on that. The other thing is that a front-mount vest keeps you warmer which is nice in winter but not so much in warmer climates...
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#5 RobVanGelder

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 03:26 AM

In my experience BM-vests are quieter than front mounted, mainly because their structure is very rigid, where as the "universal" adjustable FM vests are much more flexible and have more places where they are stressed in the construction.

The "tac-tac-tac" noise is more likely a stress in in an aluminium connection (with rivets) to another part,where some slack/play can make the components shift, ever so slightly but still enough to make noise.

And yes, a BM vest is very nice in hot countries like Thailand..... :lol: :lol:
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#6 Martin Stacey

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 05:09 AM

The step ratchets on my universal do creak a little under stress but haven't had any complaints from sound as yet. I imagine the classic style wouldn't flex as much with a hinge on one side.

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#7 Charles Papert

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 11:54 AM

I've had a number of sound issues with my Klassen, which usually has to do with the screws to the backplate loosening up or the knob on the carbon arm doing the same. Going through it and tightening things usually takes care of it, but even then things can sometimes "squeak through".

Every vest I've owned has made noise at one time or another--probably the PRO vest was the quietest overall, and the Master Series was the loudest.

I am half-remembering a story from 10+ years ago where I had to do a stand-up from an apple box on a bus, and the velcro was shifting as I stood up, hurting the dialogue. I asked the dolly grip to come over and put a little force on that section of the vest as I stood to keep the velcro from doing its thing. He completely mis-understood, so when I stood up, he ripped the waistpad open and I suddenly found myself in the middle of a shot wearing half a vest! It was more funny than anything else.
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Posted 25 June 2007 - 10:05 AM

Like everyone else I have also had noise issues with both my Ultra Vest and my Klassen. I have not had any issues with my new Ultra Vest (much improved system) but on my original Ultra Vest.... I added a drop or two of ACF 50 oil (no other oil seems to work as well) and usually that fixes the problem for about 8 weeks or more depending on the workload and use obviously. The Klassen is usually a tightening thing for me just as Charles pointed out. For me it seems when the Klassen makes noise it is usually much lower pitch and rarely if ever noticed by the sound dept. but I hear it.

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#9 Eric Young

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Posted 03 August 2007 - 06:39 AM

Like everyone else I have also had noise issues with both my Ultra Vest and my Klassen. I have not had any issues with my new Ultra Vest (much improved system) but on my original Ultra Vest.... I added a drop or two of ACF 50 oil (no other oil seems to work as well) and usually that fixes the problem for about 8 weeks or more depending on the workload and use obviously. The Klassen is usually a tightening thing for me just as Charles pointed out. For me it seems when the Klassen makes noise it is usually much lower pitch and rarely if ever noticed by the sound dept. but I hear it.

Regards,

Steve Fracol


My Flyer vest has always creaked at the quick release clasps, especially the ones at the shoulders. This hasn't been an issue on the music videos I've done up to now, but will be doing a drama soon so sound dept will probably complain!

Tried the Maplin silicone grease/PTFE spray but that didn't seem to help. It seems to be that the two halves of the clasps have too much play so they can rub (they are all the same, so pretty sure it isn't just wear). Lubricant should in theory help, but how to get enough in there to do the job without dripping lubricant or getting it on your clothes every time you release the clasps?!

Candlewax did help, but it's hard to apply & rubs off too easily.

Would ACF50 be better? What's the best way to apply it?

Anyone had a similar experience and a solution for the Flyer? Thanks for any suggestions.

Edited by Eric Young, 03 August 2007 - 06:42 AM.

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Posted 09 August 2007 - 05:47 AM

Why not ask Tiffen about an upgrade to the top clips? Get the back straps too!
Anyone knows how many $ ?

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Posted 09 August 2007 - 10:26 AM

Candlewax did help, but it's hard to apply & rubs off too easily.


My wife races mountain bikes in the National Mountain Bike Series and we use a parafin wax based lube on her bike chain for certain conditions. The brand is White Lightening and essentially it's an evaporative mix that seeps into the chain links but when the liquid part of the solution evaporates it leaves a parafin coating on the parts. Most chain lubes leave an oily residue which attracts and holds dirt / residue but the parafin collects it and then essentially it crumbles away with the dirt. Maybe this lube would seep into the parts you need. It's loaded with parafin to the point you have to continually shake the bottle.

Another good lube is T-9 which they sell at Film Tools in Burbank for $4 less than the bike shop. T-9 is a finer grade product than White Lightening. And last but not least is a lube called Pro Gold you can find it in a tiny little needle point applicator that gets into tight spots and apply 1/10th of a drop or less. Pro Gold is not parafin or Teflon based though but it works well.
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Posted 09 August 2007 - 11:35 AM

Why not ask Tiffen about an upgrade to the top clips? Get the back straps too!
Anyone knows how many $ ?

Mikael Kern


Thanks Mikael. Don't think that's an option with the rather basic Flyer vest. The clasps are riveted. And there are no fittings for back straps. But maybe you know something I don't! :)

Edited by Eric Young, 09 August 2007 - 11:44 AM.

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#13 Eric Young

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Posted 09 August 2007 - 11:38 AM

Candlewax did help, but it's hard to apply & rubs off too easily.


My wife races mountain bikes in the National Mountain Bike Series and we use a parafin wax based lube on her bike chain for certain conditions. The brand is White Lightening and essentially it's an evaporative mix that seeps into the chain links but when the liquid part of the solution evaporates it leaves a parafin coating on the parts. Most chain lubes leave an oily residue which attracts and holds dirt / residue but the parafin collects it and then essentially it crumbles away with the dirt. Maybe this lube would seep into the parts you need. It's loaded with parafin to the point you have to continually shake the bottle.

Another good lube is T-9 which they sell at Film Tools in Burbank for $4 less than the bike shop. T-9 is a finer grade product than White Lightening. And last but not least is a lube called Pro Gold you can find it in a tiny little needle point applicator that gets into tight spots and apply 1/10th of a drop or less. Pro Gold is not parafin or Teflon based though but it works well.


Thanks very much for the suggestions Robert! Not sure they're available in the UK, but will look into it. If not, there'll probably be UK equivalents.
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 06:33 AM

Anyone had a similar experience and a solution for the Flyer? Thanks for any suggestions.

Yes Eric,

This problem bugged me until I got outsize shrink rap, and shrunk it around the two shoulder clips. That does the trick. The only drawback is that you have to make sure your "future ex-wife" is not watching from amongst the extras when you don and doff the vest. Very uncool, and totally un "Manual of Style."

Fly Quietly,

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#15 Eric Young

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Posted 11 August 2007 - 08:45 AM

Anyone had a similar experience and a solution for the Flyer? Thanks for any suggestions.

Yes Eric,

This problem bugged me until I got outsize shrink rap, and shrunk it around the two shoulder clips. That does the trick. The only drawback is that you have to make sure your "future ex-wife" is not watching from amongst the extras when you don and doff the vest. Very uncool, and totally un "Manual of Style."

Fly Quietly,

Chris


Thanks Chris.

That sounds great - especially as it obviously works, rather than trying lots of different lubes, then being left with loads of unused lube which didn't work!

I think I understand what you mean, but any chance of a photo? Do you mean the shrink wrap goes around the outer clip housing or around the inner "trident" shaped bit?

Cheers
Eric

Edited by Eric Young, 11 August 2007 - 08:47 AM.

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