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#1 Elliott Yancey

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Posted 04 June 2007 - 09:33 PM

I got a call today to shoot a music video on Thursday. They are using an ARRI 435. I have an EFP with red springs in it. Can this arm handle this camera? I just wrapped a shoot using a Varicam with a full film package. It flew great but the arm was maxed. How does the ARRI 435 compare?


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#2 Brandon Thompson

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Posted 04 June 2007 - 10:49 PM

I got a call today to shoot a music video on Thursday. They are using an ARRI 435. I have an EFP with red springs in it. Can this arm handle this camera? I just wrapped a shoot using a Varicam with a full film package. It flew great but the arm was maxed. How does the ARRI 435 compare?


Thanks guys,


Elliott


Hi Elliott,
I am a local in ATL and I would say go to PC&E or CinePhotoTech (www.cinephototech.com) tomorrow and see if they have one you can put on your sled. I did a little search for you:
http://www.arri.com/entry/products.htm and then searched for 435.
It says the 435 camera body w/o mag is 14.3 lbs. The Varicam specs say it is 16.28lbs with viewfinder, lens batterypack, tape and mic.
I am sure you are going to have to add wireless video tx, and focus receiver and motor as well that is probably in the 3-4lbs range (guessing). I have a BFD and M-One if you need to rent one.

Good Luck with the gig,
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#3 Elliott Yancey

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Posted 04 June 2007 - 11:02 PM

Thanks Brandon,

I have done a little searching myself and I found two posts on the forum related to the subject. One said the whole rig with loaded mag and all accessories (follow focus etc.) is about 22 pounds. The other said that the operator was using a G-50 arm and had it maxed out. The posted weight for that is 50 pounds. This is quite a big discrepancy! Can someone give me an accurate idea of the weight with all gizmos and loaded mag? As a new operator, I have never shot film before and I don't really know what to expect. I just don't want to blow this! I am getting a GREAT rate!


Thanks,

Elliott

By the way, I DID NOT oversell myself for this job. I was very honest about my experience (or lack of), told them I was only 5 months out of college and sent them an accurate (and somewhat short) resume. I just wanted to avoid all the speeches about taking jobs over your head and overselling yourself etc.
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#4 Erik Brul

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Posted 05 June 2007 - 12:16 AM

Thanks Brandon,

I have done a little searching myself and I found two posts on the forum related to the subject. One said the whole rig with loaded mag and all accessories (follow focus etc.) is about 22 pounds. The other said that the operator was using a G-50 arm and had it maxed out. The posted weight for that is 50 pounds. This is quite a big discrepancy! Can someone give me an accurate idea of the weight with all gizmos and loaded mag? As a new operator, I have never shot film before and I don't really know what to expect. I just don't want to blow this! I am getting a GREAT rate!


Thanks,

Elliott

By the way, I DID NOT oversell myself for this job. I was very honest about my experience (or lack of), told them I was only 5 months out of college and sent them an accurate (and somewhat short) resume. I just wanted to avoid all the speeches about taking jobs over your head and overselling yourself etc.


Elliott,

I would be very carefull if i was you. The EFP did came with a lot of different springs.
The red ones are the lightest of them and will go max 38 lbs (Red 18-38 lbs)
Found the following from Rick (Richard Lewis) :
Red 18-38 lbs
Green 20-40 lbs
Blue 25-45 lbs
Black 30-51 lbs
Gold 36-58 lbs
I also think this arm with these Red springs are ok for Digibeta, 16MM and some 35MM :
35mm: Panaflex LW, Moviecam Compact/SL, Aaton 35 & Arri 235
16mm: Arriflex SR I, II, III, Aaton XTR/LTR

Besides this all the Arri 435 is power consuming so you need fresh batts with a lot of power.., so final.. be carefull, or tried to use another arm or rig ! :ph34r:

Best, Erik
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Posted 05 June 2007 - 04:47 AM

Elliott,

The G-50 is total load 50lbs, have seen a Clipper 2 with a 435 loaded working fine including 4lbs film load - don't forget to factor this in. An EFP with red springs will max out with a Digibeta, wide angle and matte box but they may vary from arm to arm - it was not really designed for 35 and will not give you the 24 volts (30 if you need 150 fps).

You need to know all and any for the accessories that may be used including the lens - and hope it's not a variable prime.

The real answer is get to the camera rental company and try it but be prepared to rent in a rig.

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#6 Alfeo Dixon SOC

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Posted 05 June 2007 - 08:25 AM

I got a call today to shoot a music video on Thursday. They are using an ARRI 435. I have an EFP with red springs in it. Can this arm handle this camera? I just wrapped a shoot using a Varicam with a full film package. It flew great but the arm was maxed. How does the ARRI 435 compare?


Thanks guys,


Elliott


Elliott,

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#7 Elliott Yancey

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Posted 05 June 2007 - 09:27 AM

Thank you all!

I had already planned on wearing a battery belt for the shoot because I knew the power issues with the camera. I will get to a rental house and see if I can do a quick setup there. Let me try to get a complete list of all accessories needed for the job:

Follow focus w/ motors
Lens
Steadicam mag (loaded)
Battery belt w/ long cable
clip on matte box
video tap (Is this already on the camera or an additional part)
100% video top- can someone please explain this to me? I think I know what this is but I am not sure.
Low mode bracket

When I flew the Varicam I actually had a batt. on the camera and my sled. We were using Cooke primes and had the arri style matte box (the big heavy one, not a clip on). So I am hopeful that I will be OK. The battery alone will save me 5 pounds (yeah, we were using a brick on the camera).

I truly appreciate the help I receive here on the forum. Sometimes I think I abuse it and should be paying you guys for a class! Thanks to all who continue to take their time to help me get off the ground. You are truly appreciated.

Thanks,

Elliott


Alfeo expect a call from me.

Edited by Elliott Yancey, 05 June 2007 - 09:28 AM.

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#8 Frederic Chamberland

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Posted 05 June 2007 - 10:04 AM

100% video top is an Arri part made specifically for steadicam. You take the whole viewfinder part off and replace it with a small , compact , optical block with video assist integrated. This 100% video top is an option, (you could mount the camera with viewfinder on, there is still a video assist on the camera) but this is the kind of "essential" option if you want to help yourself. I've attached a picture of the camera with the 100% video top. As you can see, there is no viewfinder anymore, there is also a bracket built in to put some rods for the motors above the lens, very useful, and the top is flat with holes to screw your dovetail plate directly on top of it to go low-mode rapidly. The picture shows (from top of camera) my video sender( canatrans) velcroed to my 2nd dovetail plate that is already screwed in the video top . This allows me to switch to low-mode very rapidly.
Also good to know, the low mode bracket is then not required since you screw your plate directly into the video top but some operators will prefer to use their own brackets that attaches to the side or underneath. And last but not least, GO TO THE RENTAL HOUSE and try your setup. You have the perfect recipe for disaster (no experience with this camera, first time on your rig...) and you don't want to look like a fool in the first half hour of your gig and see the dolly come out of the grip truck... The rental house visit is mandatory.

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#9 RobVanGelder

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Posted 05 June 2007 - 10:26 AM

One said the whole rig with loaded mag and all accessories (follow focus etc.) is about 22 pounds. The other said that the operator was using a G-50 arm and had it maxed out.


I doubt this, the camera body, IVS, lens, FF, mag and load is more like that 22 pounds alone, rig not included.
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#10 Elliott Yancey

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Posted 05 June 2007 - 04:54 PM

I am going to the rental house tomorrow. I will try to take some pics. of my EFP flying the 435 (if it works :blink: ). Thanks for all the input!

We will find out tomorrow.





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#11 Elliott Yancey

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Posted 06 June 2007 - 03:29 PM

For those who thought it couldn't be done here is an EFP flying an ARRI 435! The camera tipped the scales at 55 pounds that means the rig is about 63 pounds! The arm is only supposed to handle 38 pounds (red springs) but the 435 flew comfortably. I will have to wear a battery belt but other than that all is well. It would not be hard to modify my EFP to supply 24 volts but I just can't have it done by tomorrow. Thanks guys for all the input and help.


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#12 Elliott Yancey

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Posted 06 June 2007 - 03:31 PM

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#13 Erik Brul

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Posted 06 June 2007 - 03:48 PM

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Good Luck Elliott and fly SAVE !
Maybe you can let a assistent/spotter wear the battery belt, seems to be a better idea.

Best, Erik
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#14 Elliott Yancey

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Posted 06 June 2007 - 06:04 PM

I will Erik! Thanks for all of your research and feedback. It was very helpful! I appreciate you pushing back on the idea and being a bit skeptical. I was skeptical too that is why I posted the topic. I spent two hours at the rental house today largely because of your response to the situation (and Robin and Frederic). That was a VERY productive time and turned out to be a very positive experience. I have learned to spend more time in the local rental houses, if for nothing else, just to build relationships.

Thanks guys,



Elliott "flyin' a freakin' 435 with an EFP" Yancey

Edited by Elliott Yancey, 06 June 2007 - 06:04 PM.

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#15 Alfeo Dixon SOC

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Posted 06 June 2007 - 11:24 PM

I will Erik! Thanks for all of your research and feedback. It was very helpful! I appreciate you pushing back on the idea and being a bit skeptical. I was skeptical too that is why I posted the topic. I spent two hours at the rental house today largely because of your response to the situation (and Robin and Frederic). That was a VERY productive time and turned out to be a very positive experience. I have learned to spend more time in the local rental houses, if for nothing else, just to build relationships.

Thanks guys,



Elliott "flyin' a freakin' 435 with an EFP" Yancey


Glad you got things worked out E. CPT is one of my longest running relationships. I and Frank have a great thing... he curses me and I curse him... it's like we are married. About ten years ago I learned to load there, he's a good guy and know a lot (forgetabout his tough guy tude!)

What you did is something you should insist apon and get paid for too. It won't be productions fault if things don't work properly with the rig config. Prep is vital!

-Alfeo 'didn't get prep on my last one' Dixon
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