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#1 Philip J. Martinez SOC

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Posted 05 January 2007 - 09:38 AM

Hi Guy's

I need to get a monitor for my rig and I'm having a hard time making up my mind about what to do.

I'm looking at Tiffen Monitors they have a 7" LCD NTSC/PAL that is 700 NIT and a 7" HD that is 400 NIT I can get a down converter for the NTSC one that will make both monitor packages about the same price should I go for the brighter one?

I'm having a hard time finding any other monitors that seem to be as bright and have that film on the front to cut glare.

Thany you for any advice you can offer

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#2 JamieSilverstein

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Posted 05 January 2007 - 01:39 PM

Philip;
I don't know what Tiffen is charging for the monitor, but I can highly recommend the IMP Blackbird. It is very bright, great for outdoor work and is weighted very well. I have been using it for about 2 years now and I don't have any complaints, and the price isn't bad for a daylight viewable monitor with framelines. You should also look at the Transvideo high brightness monitors. They are very light in weight, but I have been told that their pciture is good outside, and you can compensate for the lack of heft by adding a battery back on to back of the monitor.
Both of these monitors would need a down converter when shooting HD, which shouldn't present a problem. I am personally avoiding HD monitors for now.
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#3 Erwin Landau

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Posted 05 January 2007 - 02:15 PM

Transvideo has an HD monitor in the works including graphics (Frame-lines and Level).
Just keep it in mind... It's supposed to get introduced this spring.

So far Transvideo was the only LCD Monitor I ever considered spending money on (and actually did)... still prefer my Green screen... (you can't be a "green screen warrior" without a green screen... right?).
That's just me but then again I do mostly 35mm Film.


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#4 Jeff Muhlstock SOC

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Posted 05 January 2007 - 02:37 PM

Before you go and get an HD monitor, be sure you can cable it properly, HDSDI is a big problem down the post with most current rig wiring. Also, there seems to be a trend in some new HD cameras such as Sony?s 1500, they have a down converter built in. No need for a separate unit.

As for Transvideo, I have been waiting for 10 years for this famous HD monitor. It seems to be right around the corner now for several years. I hope it?s finally close, I love my Transvideo.

The Hummingbird is also an excellent choice, I have had them side by side and will admit it?s a slightly better picture then Transvideo (5% better, maybe). The 30 percent increase in price and weight lead me to the Cinemonitor 3. For now. The screen size is only about 1/2 an inch bigger diagonally (pretty marginal difference).

Good luck with your choices; they are all pretty good ones. Remember there will always be a better unit down the road in technology; it?s hard to time it.

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Posted 05 January 2007 - 03:07 PM

That transvideo HD lcd is coming, i just have seen the prototype. Pretty slick
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#6 Philip J. Martinez SOC

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Posted 05 January 2007 - 03:10 PM

Thanks for all the advice.

I looked at those monitors from the UK the balckbird the Tiffen one seems to be 1/2 the price. I have seen the TB-6 and loved it but that is out of my price range.

The only reason I'm stuck with the HD thing is I have the Artemis EFP HDSDI rig with the 1.5 gz line for HDSDI and R G B HD lines in it (I feel like I should have an HD monitor, I'm loosing the Panasonic BT-LH900 that I have been flying with). I'm sending in my sled for the 24 volt upgrade with the hope to start doing film work so I do not need HD for a Video tap but brightness helps (700 nit vs., 400 nit) so I'm still up in the air. I have some tine to think still 'cause I'm on a non Steadicam job till the 19 and have nothing lined up right after so in the world of Good Fast Cheap I'm trying to go for good and Cheap (cheap for Steadicam $$)

Thanks again

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#7 Jeff Muhlstock SOC

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Posted 05 January 2007 - 05:11 PM

That transvideo HD lcd is coming, i just have seen the prototype. Pretty slick



I guess this leads to the next topic then, How are we going to run HD down the post??? I have an MK-V 2 inch, 4 stage. Anyone doing this yet???

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#8 JobScholtze

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Posted 05 January 2007 - 07:24 PM

That transvideo HD lcd is coming, i just have seen the prototype. Pretty slick



I guess this leads to the next topic then, How are we going to run HD down the post??? I have an MK-V 2 inch, 4 stage. Anyone doing this yet???

Jeff

I have the same rig. Howard is making the d-box with HD. Still waiting for it though. But its in the works i guess
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#9 Chris Konash

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Posted 05 January 2007 - 08:19 PM

Philip,

I have the 700nit monitor from Tiffen and have done a bunch of gigs outside. It's not excessively bright outside but still easily viewable in direct sunlight. If you want you can see it or take it for a spin anytime, I work at Panavision NY and will bring it to work if you want to take a look.

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#10 Ramon Engle

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Posted 07 January 2007 - 06:06 PM

Be aware that some camera manufacturers are incorporating downconverters into the camera body. The Panasonic HDX900 has one built in.

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#11 Robert Starling SOC

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Posted 11 January 2007 - 06:42 PM

Thany you for any advice you can offer

Philip


Are you using the AJA box now? I had my first and hopefully last experience with the AJA yesterday on a Varicam shoot. It was intermittent right out of the box and then died completely. I ended up with a 9"Panasonic HD LCD on battery gaff taped and hardwired to my monitor bracket. What a mess!
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#12 Philip J. Martinez SOC

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Posted 11 January 2007 - 09:25 PM

I have only used the AJA on non-steadicam shoots, I did not have any problems with it but I would hate to run into one. I'm looking at the ERG Ventures HDM-EV30D (HD) waiting for a price to see if I can afford it. It says it is daylight viewable, has anyone used one?
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