video glasses? tried em yet?
Posted 30 March 2004 - 04:01 AM
anybody had any experience and/or opinions on this kinda bussines?
anybody seen a cheap dodgy (CHEAP) aspect ratio converter?
I reckon these could be the future.... but im sure lots of people would disagree and i d like to know why!
Posted 30 March 2004 - 11:56 AM
The reason being that with most systems/glasses you kind of loose your sence of direction and horizon. However, this system could be a bit different, as it only uses one eye and leaves most of the field of view available for orientation.
There is another company in the US that makes simelar things for one eye, but with a more obstructive projection in front so it could be hard to see depth.
With this system there is a chance that it works. Check it out please and report!
( if you can miss the money)
Rob van Gelder, Bangkok, Thailand
Posted 30 March 2004 - 05:26 PM
In any case, the other operator on our show owns a pair of these glasses, and I tried them out during a few rehearsals of this shot. The action I was trackiing was a basketball being shot to the hoop.
I found the glasses to be pretty disorienting, and in fact I opted to not use them for this shot in the end. Instead I did the usual contortionist routine we seem to have to do every now and then. I do see how these types of glasses MAY be good for certain shots. In fact they may be the ONLY way to get some shots. Following action with them is difficult and counter intuitive though, because of the spatial disorientation caused by the disconnect between your vision and your various other senses (inner ear in particular). I think with some practice I could have made the system work for me, but on a feature with only a few minutes before the take, it wasn't enough time to be proficient with them.
If any of you has tried walking through that amusement park gimmick of the rotating "star field" tube while trying to maintain your upright and balanced posture, you know what I mean by spatial disorientation.
Another analogy might be the one where you have a set of headphones on and they feed you your own speech at a delayed interval (say a 1 to 2 second delay), and you try to speak normally. It is very difficult.
In any case, the other problem with these glasses is that the resolution is pretty poor. At least they were with the model I tried. The SONY model is no longer manufactured, and it was never sold in the US. The menus were all in Japanese, so that made setting them up "interesting," to say the least. Thankfully, our loader speaks and reads Japanese fluently!
Just my .02 cents... I hope that helps.
Posted 30 March 2004 - 06:10 PM
i am hoping that only having one eye and only a corner of that eye may do the trick....... especially as u could use your monitor as usual , and switch to glasses on those changeovers, don juons etcetc and particularly blarring suns!
Posted 30 March 2004 - 09:12 PM
Posted 25 April 2004 - 08:38 PM
Posted 27 April 2004 - 09:52 AM
It´s allright if you sit in a chair, or stand relatively in one place (surgion, car-mechanic) but the moment you start walking and this picture, which could be a view from a distant place relatively to your own eye, (low-mode, high-mode, DonJuan) superimposed on your frontal view, while avoiding curbstones, stairs, extra´s, doorways, etc, I doubt if (m)any people can work with it.
It´s probably too much information for one eye/brain in the setup that we want to use.
Just my thought though, I really want to try it out once!
Rob van Gelder
Posted 06 May 2004 - 12:41 AM
I´ve used the full glasses before. I don´t recall the name brand because they weren´t mine. I tried them on for several days, and found them to be completely disorienting as it was said earlier. I found myself moving my head side to side or up and down instead of panning or tilting my rig. It sounds funny, but it´s a whole different can of worms. I wouldn´t recommend it to anyone no matter how many eyes they cover or how see through and laser beamed they are. The only way I could see them working is in a relatively static shot that will not go on to quick movement. Running with these things over your eyes is not only dangerously distracting but also is nauseating. It comes down to this. One´s eyes are used to acting much like a gimbal - they stay in one place and pointing at a certain direction regardless of the movement of the head. This is what our brain and eyes are trained to do. The moment you strap something to your head, which is moving, and try to look at it with your eyes, you have a problem. The way I see it is, it´s the same as if you tied your sled post to your body¨ It defeats the whole purpose of isolation. It´s kinda like if you tried to film an earthquake with your rig. It would look shaky no matter what. I found this to be exasperating and nausating. Keep any kind of monitor or viewfinder on your rig.
Posted 06 May 2004 - 09:44 AM
Welcome to the forum ( although you are looking since januari) and I must congratulate you on your first post. It is clear and to the point and we don´t see that so often from first posters!
So you tried those glasses for days and give them a thumbs down. The same reaction as Garreth had in the first stages of Steadicam.
But there might be a use for it, now that I think of it.
It´s the setup with the RollVision ball, where the operator of the rig and the one of the camera are separated. We can put the glasses on the man with the joystick! He won´t be moving anywhere
Rob van Gelder, Bangkok, Thailand
Posted 06 May 2004 - 01:52 PM
Posted 17 June 2004 - 04:54 AM
I found them the most useful while using remote heads in full sunlight and the supplied monitor is really flared out. As others have said, they can be very disorienting, so practice with them first.
Posted 17 June 2004 - 11:38 AM