Jump to content



Photo

Camera Weight Comparison Chart


  • Please log in to reply
14 replies to this topic

#1 Jens Piotrowski SOC

Jens Piotrowski SOC

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 1656 posts
  • Los Angeles, CA

Posted 15 July 2006 - 09:06 PM

:o

Hello!

Does anybody have a coparison chart for the weight of 35mm cameras in Steadicam mode?

BL4, 535B, LT, ST, SL, Compact, Panavision ?????

Thanks!


Jens
  • 0

#2 Michael Stumpf

Michael Stumpf

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 491 posts
  • U.S.

Posted 16 July 2006 - 10:44 AM

The weights below are a combination of weights obtained by
a couple different people. I can't remember who did them all, but
I know some of them I weighed, some of them other people did and
some come from the manufacturers websites.

All listed weights (except SR3's) are with the camera is Steadicam Mode, with a 400' mag on the
camera, but NO FILM inside.
These weights also DO NOT include a lens or mattebox, etc.

Panavision:
Lightweight 2 = 20.0
Millenium XL = 20.0
Millenium = 23.5
Platinum = 26.1
Gold 2 = 26.6
Panastar = 30.6
Genesis HD = 27 (with video recorder mount on top, no cables, no down converter)

Arriflex:
Arricam ST = 25.2 with ST Mag, or 23.9 with LT mag
Arricam LT = 17.5
Arri 435 = 20.5
535A = 38.6
535B = 24 (includes 100% video top)
BL-2 = 28
BL-3 = 29
BL-4 = 30.9
BL-4S = 31.9
Arri 35-3 = 16.0 (no mag)
Arri 16 SR3 = 15.4 (with 400' loaded mag and on board battery)
Arri D20 HD = 21 (with recorder mount on top. Does not include weight of cables. Also the D20
does NOT require a down converter either, so that makes it even lighter yet than the Genesis).

Moviecam Compact = 21.6
Moviecam SL = 15.6


Again, some of these weights have also been rounded to the closest pound.
But overall, these weights are pretty much accurate.
  • 1

#3 RonBaldwin

RonBaldwin

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 2351 posts
  • Los Angeles

Posted 16 July 2006 - 01:05 PM

ok, here's when I realize what a geek I am. Over the years I have weighed most of the cameras/lenses I've used. All wieghts are +/- about a half pound at the most. Here's what I have:

The following cameras were weighed in steadi-mode (ie - low mode brackets/video tops/lw mags, etc...) with the following 6 lbs of accessories:
-preston dm-1 focus motor (1 lb)
-2 pro camera plates + cables (1.5 lbs)
-clip-on matte box (1 lb)
-400 ft film (2.5 lbs)

*just add a lens from below to get the approx full weight in steadi-mode (not counting the weight of other aks you might add such as pana-tape, cine-tape, scotch-tape, onboard lights, tiki's, rubber chickens etc...)

ARRI:
-535b -- 30 lbs
-BL3 -- 33 lbs
-SR3 -- 21 lbs (no onboard batt)
-LT -- 22 lbs

MOVIECAM:
-SL -- 22 lbs
-Compact -- 28 lbs (Otto's)

PANAVISION:
-LW -- 27 lbs (I think the 3-perf LW is about 1 lb heavier)
-XL -- 25 lbs
-Milennium -- 31 lbs
-G2 with the conversion kit and "lw" dovetail -- 33 lbs
-Elaine -- 25 lbs

SONY/PANA:
-F900 -- 30 lbs (with the 6 - 27 zoom, lw matte box, low mode plate, 2 pro plates, 2 preston motors, sony quick release, miranda converter, hytron) the viewfinder was removed if I remember correctly
-901 back -- 3.5 lbs

*I have very little hd experience, the "Panavised" Sony is the only one I've flown on about 7 occaisions

LENSES:

Panavision ultraspeeds:
-35 and 50 -- 2.5 lbs
-24 -- 4 lbs
-29 -- 5 lbs
-20 -- 6 lbs
-17 -- 7 lbs

Panavision primos:
-21 -- 4.2 lbs
-27, 35, and 40 -- all about 5 lbs
-50 -- 6 lbs
-75 -- 4 lbs
-100 -- 4 lbs
-150 -- 7.5 lbs

and...for your pleasure...
-4 to 1 -- 13.5 lbs
-11 to 1 -- 20 lbs

Panavision lw zoom
-27 to 63 zm -- 2 lbs (nice and light, but looks and flares like a crappy still photo zoom...hmmm?)

Cooke S-4:
-18 -- 4 lbs
-25 -- 3.5 lbs
-32 -- 4 lbs
-40 -- 4.25 lbs
-50 -- 3 lbs
-65 -- 3.75 lbs
-75 -- 4 lbs
-100 -- 4.5 lbs

Zeiss primes I don't use often, but seem to mostly be around 2 to 3.5 lbs each.

I have more of some misc accessories, but I've geeked out enough for now. My wife is teasing me.

rb
  • 1

#4 Jens Piotrowski SOC

Jens Piotrowski SOC

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 1656 posts
  • Los Angeles, CA

Posted 16 July 2006 - 04:11 PM

Thanks guys!!!

:unsure: ;) :D :(
  • 0

#5 Alec Jarnagin SOC

Alec Jarnagin SOC

    Advanced Member

  • Moderators
  • PipPipPip
  • 1800 posts
  • New York City, USA

Posted 16 July 2006 - 06:48 PM

Ron, Michael, I suspect Ron's numbers for the G2 and Millennium are more accurate. While obviously Primos outweigh the old style Zeiss by a large amount, I have trouble believing that a G2 is almost 5 pounds lighter than a BL-4.
  • 0

#6 RonBaldwin

RonBaldwin

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 2351 posts
  • Los Angeles

Posted 19 July 2006 - 11:19 AM

hi Alec,
How are ya?! I think Michael's BL4 figure is probably body and mag with no film, and the G2 at 26.6 lbs is most likely the body only with normal optics/tap. To me, the worst part about the conversion kit is the height (the dovetail adaptor raises the camera about an inch) and the forward tilted mag (longer takes you gradually tilt up -- but, slightly less annoying than the BL's co-ax mags).

I used an XL with the light weight zoom yesterday and had to crank the arm down a bit from my last camera (SR3 with onboard batt and zoom). Nice camera, don't get them very often.

In case you are wondering why I have no #'s on the 435...I've never flown one!

RB
  • 0

#7 David Allen Grove

David Allen Grove

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 891 posts
  • Los Angeles, California,

Posted 22 July 2006 - 02:07 AM

What does a D20 weigh without recorder?
  • 0

#8 Ari Gertler

Ari Gertler

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 113 posts
  • Santa Monica, California USA

Posted 22 July 2006 - 03:08 AM

Panavision Genisis HD weighs less than 30 pounds ????????? with the recorder??????
I have flown it and thought that the total was more than that????

Just wondering,

How was the set up on "Superman" ????

Ari Gertler

P.S. Always learning...........
  • 0

#9 Alec Jarnagin SOC

Alec Jarnagin SOC

    Advanced Member

  • Moderators
  • PipPipPip
  • 1800 posts
  • New York City, USA

Posted 22 July 2006 - 09:19 AM

"I used an XL with the light weight zoom yesterday and had to crank the arm down a bit from my last camera (SR3 with onboard batt and zoom). Nice camera, don't get them very often. "

Ron,

Hey man. Just went from an SR3 with sliding base plate and studio matte box (because of filtration.), 2 motors, etc. to an XL with Primos and yeah, closer than I would have guessed.

Be well.
  • 0

#10 Jerry Franck

Jerry Franck

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 123 posts
  • Los Angeles, CA

Posted 22 February 2009 - 02:17 PM

Hi guys,

just wanted to know if anyone has a weight comparison chart for all the popular film/video/hd cameras out there?

Or is there a website/forum post that has a list like that?

Any help much appreciated,
Thx,

Jerry.
  • 0

#11 nick franco

nick franco

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 258 posts
  • San Fernando, CA

Posted 22 February 2009 - 03:48 PM

http://www.steadicam...l=camera weight
  • 0

#12 Jerry Franck

Jerry Franck

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 123 posts
  • Los Angeles, CA

Posted 22 February 2009 - 05:27 PM

http://www.steadicam...l=camera weight



cool. thank you sir!
I'll use this and form my own table....

any numbers on aaton cameras and more 16, super 16 cameras? or maybe 65 and Imax?

thanks.
jerry
  • 0

#13 RonBaldwin

RonBaldwin

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 2351 posts
  • Los Angeles

Posted 22 February 2009 - 05:29 PM

wow, that was a while ago -- I'm still a geek and like to know what the things weigh that I'm schlepping all day. Some recent additions to my list on the above thread:

Genesis @33 lbs:
Genesis body, SSR deck, 1 pro plate, 2 preston dm-1 motors, Hill pana bracket/2 rods, low mode, 35 primo (5 lbs), cinetape, clip-on mb with arf, 4x5 filter + pola, pwr/aks cables.

Arri D-21 @32 lbs:
body, low mode bracket with 2 rods, 2 pro plates, 2 preston dm-1 motors, 40mm master prime, cinetape, clip on mb with one 4x5 filter, pwr/aks cables.

Arri LT @29 lbs:
body, steadimag, 400' film, low mode, 2 pro plates, 2 preston dm-1 motors, optima 15 to 40 zoom (4.2 lbs), cinetape, clip on mb, pwr/aks cables

Panavision XL @33 lbs:
body, 400' mag w/film, throat adaptor, 1 pro plate, Hill pana bracket w/ one rod, 2 preston dm-1 motors, 50 primo (6 lbs), cinetape, clip on mb w/ arf.

Panavised F-900 @32 lbs:
body, large miranda, 6 to 27 zoom (6 lbs), low mode bracket, 2 pro plates, 1 preston dm-1 motor, 1 channel iris controller, distro box, 6 ft thin bnc and iris/paintbox cable, power and run/stop cables.

Panavision 3 perf LW @35 lbs:
3 perf body w/ color tap, lw 400' mag w/film, Hill bracket, 1 preston dm-1 motor, 2 pro plates, clip on mb, 1 4x5 filter, panatape, coherent xmitter, 35 primo (5 lbs).

disclaimer -- all these weights were measured on a 100 lb postal scale at work -- which means I may or may not have been of questionable sobriety (and we all know how accurate gov scales are).

rb
  • 0

#14 Antoine Petit

Antoine Petit

    New Member

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 2 posts
  • New York, NY

Posted 22 June 2009 - 08:18 PM

Hi,

I attended the very good Tiffen workshop in Pennsylvania last may with Garrett Brown and Jerry Holway which was great. I plan to buy my own rig now and I would like to have your opinion.

In the long term, I plan to work on features only, that is to say, in a few years or so. I don't have the money to buy the best rig right now so I'm considering the Archer 2 with a G-50 or the Clipper 324.

My question is, what do you think is the safer choice? Knowing that I will tend to fly cameras on short films (using Super 16mm, a lot), commercials and music videos. For the last 2 ones, the nature of the cameras can vary tremendously, obviously.
Since, I'm new to this art and business, does any of you would know the range of cameras' weight (playload), starting from the Red, Phantom and some 16 and 35mm cameras that are being used on commercials and music videos?

That would help me a lot :)

Thanks!

Antoine
  • 0

#15 Robert Starling SOC

Robert Starling SOC

    Advanced Member

  • Sustaining Members
  • 1134 posts
  • Las Vegas, NV

Posted 22 June 2009 - 11:03 PM

Search the Forum Archives and you'll find a nice list of camera weights that Erwin Landau put together and also a few listings of actual build weights that Ron Baldwin has provided.

I've been happy with my G50 and C24 flying most everything that has come my way for film and HD including the venerable F900 loaded. I have not however flown a Genesis on it.

Robert
  • 0




IDX

Boland Communications

SkyDreams

Wireless Video Systems

Ritter Battery

Betz Tools for Stabilizers

GPI Pro Systems

Paralinx LLC

Omnishot Systems

PLC - Bartech

Varizoom Follow Focus

Engineered Cinema Solutions

rebotnix Technologies

Media Blackout - Custom Cables and AKS

PLC Electronics Solutions

Teradek

BOXX