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#1 arch-b

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Posted 18 February 2006 - 10:14 PM

Is there exact hierarchy among stabilizer systems; I mean Suchtler, Pro II, Steadicam... there are so many of them. Is there any definite leader among them?
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#2 Andrew Jansen

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Posted 18 February 2006 - 10:52 PM

Is there exact hierarchy among stabilizer systems; I mean Suchtler, Pro II, Steadicam... there are so many of them. Is there any definite leader among them?


It's all personal preference really. In my opinion in 15 years of operating I would say the best sled made is The Ultimate by Greg Bubb at XCS, best arm is by GPI PRO, best vest is between Klassen and PRO and best focus for the money is Bartech.

Just my humble opinion... I'm sure there'll be more folks chiming in !!

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#3 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 18 February 2006 - 11:35 PM

Is there exact hierarchy among stabilizer systems; I mean Suchtler, Pro II, Steadicam... there are so many of them. Is there any definite leader among them?


It's all personal preference really. In my opinion in 15 years of operating I would say the best sled made is The Ultimate by Greg Bubb at XCS, best arm is by GPI PRO, best vest is between Klassen and PRO and best focus is Bartech.

Just my humble opinion... I'm sure there'll be more folks chiming in !!

Andrew


Best focus is between Preston and Scorpio with Bartech a close 3rd
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#4 thomas-english

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 06:14 PM

How come we never see XCS s here in england. I ve never seen one at a show or knocking about round a mates or anything. I keep hearing such praise about them I would love to see what all the fuss is about.

Hey, I would definately nominate Klassen in the Best Vest Category!
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Posted 20 February 2006 - 08:27 PM

Is there exact hierarchy among stabilizer systems; I mean Suchtler, Pro II, Steadicam... there are so many of them. Is there any definite leader among them?


Personaly i think the best rig is the rig you own and mod !
You can take your pick of any of the top makes but you will only realy appreciate what a steadicam is untill you own or use one on a regular basis.
I fell in love with my steadicam flyer as a first rig.
I doubt it would have been much different if i had gone for a cheaper clone.
I would say Tiffen seems to have done wounders with their new G arms, MK-V (and friends) with the AR and other bling, and many more the quality of choice is imense.

It might help to understand where you are coming from with the question though.
I mean what is your reason for asking are you a woking DOP or just a curios onlooker perhaps ?
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Posted 20 February 2006 - 08:57 PM

I mean what is your reason for asking are you a woking DOP or just a curios onlooker perhaps ?
-matt
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Matt,
there is a little curiousness involved in my question, no doubt, but another reason is that I recently bought
Glidecam's Smooth Shooter/4000 (a system at the bottom of the hierarchy, perhaps) and have serious plans to improve my "steadicam" skills to apply it to my upcoming projects (a few of my screenplays require some serious stedicam movements, and my budget doesn't allow me to hire a pro).
As I started practicing with my new system(soon I'm taking workshop, too), I also started researching the theory, and...
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Posted 20 February 2006 - 10:33 PM

The workshop will be a blessing :D
Seems like you need to do a little more reading though, trust me it never ends lol.
Are these screen plays any good then ?
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Posted 20 February 2006 - 11:27 PM

I love my AS Actioncam. But I know it costs me work because it?s not a brand that the production companies recognize when they call. Plus I made the classic mistake of thinking as it cost me a lot less than the equivalent Steadicam brand rig I should put its rate out for less. ?Oh it?s cheaper? What?s wrong with it??
Recently I put the rate up $200 and I?ve had a lot more calls. <_<
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 12:41 AM

Are these screen plays any good then ?
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Two of them are mine. They are good, and I'm not the only one who thinks that way... More importantly, both screepts are short (even minimalistic in a way) and easy to produce. I'd say, both are aimed mainly at film festival path to generate a positive noise.
Future, more commercially oriented projects are to come...
Anyway, one of those screenplays definitely needs extensive steadicam shots as there are lot of scenes seen from the protagonist's point of view, so I'll put SS/4000 to the test for that one.
But first, workshop and some practicing cause, at this point, my Glidecam is neither very "Glide" nor "Steadi"...
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 09:36 PM

i agree with 4mat,

no one here has flown every Rig thats out, so no one can say which one is the best. everyone will have their own opinions and you may end up being more confused and less educated than before you asked the question.




Is there exact hierarchy among stabilizer systems; I mean Suchtler, Pro II, Steadicam... there are so many of them. Is there any definite leader among them?


Personaly i think the best rig is the rig you own and mod !
You can take your pick of any of the top makes but you will only realy appreciate what a steadicam is untill you own or use one on a regular basis.
I fell in love with my steadicam flyer as a first rig.
I doubt it would have been much different if i had gone for a cheaper clone.
I would say Tiffen seems to have done wounders with their new G arms, MK-V (and friends) with the AR and other bling, and many more the quality of choice is imense.

It might help to understand where you are coming from with the question though.
I mean what is your reason for asking are you a woking DOP or just a curios onlooker perhaps ?
-matt


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