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#1 thomas-english

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Posted 18 February 2004 - 07:49 PM

can i float a panaflex gold on a master arm?

(mk-v evolution sled)

will it hurt?
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#2 RoryKnepp

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Posted 18 February 2004 - 08:03 PM

Yes you can fly a gold. I've done it when our lightweight went down. Yes it is extremely heavy. Its so Heavy that I didn't even have them remove the optics with the conversion kit as it didn't make it much lighter and it would have taken to long. Also If the shot is a long walk and talk with a chance for many takes such as "it plays in one" then I wouldn't do the production any favor. At the same time if it is for an entire show you will build stamina for it as I've done that also. Expect pain.
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#3 thomas-english

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Posted 18 February 2004 - 08:30 PM

thanx for responding....

do u think i ll get away with using a model III arm? all i own u see ia a pro-vid arm so when these gigs come along i have to hire in bigger arms. a big faff but im still learning to walk.

thanx again
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#4 thomas-english

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Posted 18 February 2004 - 08:37 PM

silly me

i just found elsewhere on the forum.. posted by ericoh (thanx)

Camera Weights


Panavision Cameras -12 Vdc (< 20 dBA.)

? Millennium XL 11.8 lbs. (5.36 kg) body only - 23.6 lbs Steadicam mode with short zoom
? Millennium 17.5 lbs. (7.95 kg) body only - 29.12 lbs Steadicam mode with short zoom
? Platinum 20.5 lbs. (9.1 kg) body only
? Platinum Conversion 18.2 lbs. (8.3 kg) body only
? Panaflex Gold 1/2 24.4 lbs. (11.08 kg) body with short eyepiece
? Panaflex Flying X 20.5 lbs. (9.31 kg) body only
? Panastar 24.4 lbs. (11.08 kg) body with short eyepiece
? Panaglide 15 lbs. (6.8 kg)

Arriflex Cameras - 24 Vdc

? Arricam ST 11.9 lbs (5.4 kg) body only
? Arricam LT 8.7 lbs (3.95 kg) body only
? 535 A 31.3 lbs (14.19 kg) with empty mag
? 535B 24 lbs (11 kg) with light mag & video top
? 435 14.3 lbs. (6.5 kg) body only
? SL 35 Mark II 5.9 lbs (2.4 kg) body only
? SR3A 15.4 lbs (7 kg) with empty mag
? SR3 14.5 lbs (6.6 kg) with empty mag

Arriflex Cameras ? 12Vdc

? BL4s 31.9 lbs (14.47 kg) with empty mag
? BL4 30.9 lbs (14 kg) with empty mag
? BL3 28.7 lbs (13 kg) with empty mag
? BL1& 2 28.5 lbs (12.9 kg) with empty mag
? 35-3 14.8 lbs (6.71 kg) with empty mag
? 35-3C 13.5 lbs (6.12 kg) with empty mag
? 35 -2C 13.5 lbs (6.12 kg) with empty mag
? SR1& 2 11.02 lbs (4.99kg) with empty mag

Moviecam - 24 Vdc

? Super America 29 lbs (13.2 kg) with 500? of film & 50mm lens
? Compact 13.1 lbs (6.3 kg) body only
? SL 8.25 lbs (3.7 kg) body only
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Posted 18 February 2004 - 09:44 PM

with a model III arm you would end up holding the arm up yourself. That doesn't work at all.
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#6 Brad Grimmett

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Posted 18 February 2004 - 10:11 PM

I've flown a GII twice. It's a beast. It's no problem for a master arm (that's what I own), but it's no picnic either. I think the conversion kit takes about 6-8 pounds off the camera. Those #'s may be wrong, but that's what I remember hearing. I flew a GII with a Panaflasher once as well. Now that was fun!
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#7 MartinNicolas

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Posted 20 February 2004 - 05:45 PM

i flew a GII 2 weeks ago on my IIIA arm. it was lightweight converted but i had to hold the arm up.... it worked fine tho....
it was heavy! :blink: but felt better than a BL4...
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#8 RonBaldwin

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Posted 21 February 2004 - 10:55 AM

Try to get the light weight zoom. I was flying a Pana G2 conv kit with primos when my 3A arm blew up (suprise). I did get to weigh it -- 33 lbs no lens. That's with Jerry Hill's bracket, 1 preston motor, 400' film, clip on mb, 2 camera plates and the dovetail adaptor. Add a primo and you're up to 39/40lbs...a bit heavy in my humble opinion for one to do his best work, or to remain virticle in 20 yrs.

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#9 Brett Manyluk

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 12:42 AM

I flew a panastar and baseplate with a 1000 foot mag and all the optics on yesterday. That was a little taxing. But it balanced on the sled with 2 pro pacs on the bottom and a third taped on for ballast. I flew it with my Baer-Bel arm and it had plenty of strength for it with extra left over. The arm felt very iso-elastic with the extra poundage on.

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#10 WillArnot

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 12:55 AM

Jesus Brett!!! What are you like 7' and 300 lbs?

That's sick bro !

What kind of lens? I take it it was a hi speed shot?

Tell me you were doing mach 1 down center ice & then iceing the goalie :D

Look up that Endurox drink.

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#11 Ron Veto

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 05:13 PM

Just say" No" !
Its really tough to turn down a job but its even harder to look back and realize that maybe you could have done better. You have to watch for yourself. No one really understands the problems we have walking onto a set.We have to communicate our needs to get the best shot. We try not to be too "needy" but everyone is there to make magic happen on film. To really put our best foot forward is to give ourselves a fighting chance. Flying a big heavy motor around all day with a smile on your face is tough! To go into low-mode requires two plates to off-set the weight. Nothing is easy.
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#12 Ron Veto

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 05:35 PM

I was hired to to a MacDonalds commercial with Bob Giraldi. They said it would be a G-2. I balked at first but was told it would only be two shots off a golf cart. I got to work early to prep the beast then went to have a cup of tea to wait around for my shots to happen. I was standing there looking interested when Bob said lets do the next shot on Steadicam. Off the technocrane.... 0-60 in one second. My shot was chasing Barry Sanders, NFL rushing leader, up 165 stairs in low mode.Bob Geraldi yelling faster, faster! Ouch!!! I did it 5 times telling myself never to fly a G-2 again. And I haven't. I really enjoyed the golf cart that afternoon. Good Luck, Ron Veto
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#13 Brett Manyluk

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Posted 25 February 2004 - 01:10 AM

I guess I should respond to the previous question...

No, I'm not 7' and 300lbs, but I âm? 6'6" and 250 lbs. I wouldn't want to fly that kind of setup all the time, but I'm as comfortable with a BL4 and stairs as a person could be (I suppose). Of course Arricams on every show would be great...

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#14 Erwin Landau

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Posted 25 February 2004 - 07:24 AM

GII

A little late, but hell I already wrote it...

I have flown the GII a couple of times... not a pretty sight. It makes for a very solid and smooth frame, but if they are asking you to fly it for 3 to 4 minutes takes it's getting quickly VERY heavy.
I have to opt for the Conversion Kit and the lightweight mags, why carry more then you have to. Usually the Companies that hire you and use that camera don't have any money and don't care much for you either, if you are not up to that weight, they will quickly loose patients, "What to you mean you have to dock between takes?", "Can you quickly frame up... let's do a quick rehearsal... okay another one... and let's go to picture right away... and 2nd, 3rd take right away to keep the energy up... why is the frame getting wobbly????"

And ALWAYS that quick shot or two will turn into a tour the force, "The steadi is already up, it takes to long to change over, the sun is setting... let's grab a couple of shots... right away... hours later you can dock...
.... you get the picture?

Caution: Low Mode!!!

The real pain starts when they ask you to go Lowmode. The GII was never really designed to get inverted. Most of the time they don't have the Lowmode conversion, I saw the XL top throught adapter used, man that was scary and wobbly... If the Viewfinder is still in place it will not work anyways as it will hit the D-Box/Camera Stage. Caution when you turn the Camera body upsite down...
The GII has a Led covered body (for sound dampening) with the Throught glued to the body which will not hold a full 400 foot load when turned around... I caught the broken off mag in mid air once when I was balancing... It also does not work to say to the Producer I told you so... while holding the rig in one hand and the mag in the other while the film is still rolling through the Camera... would make for a great picture... (Nobody took one... bummer...)

Do it once, to know for the next time, why to say NO WAY in hell...

What I tell to everybody that calls and asks, I tell them: "You will not be able to do your best work... periode.)

And the newest: The people that hire you will most likely see your worst work, because rarely the editor uses YOUR best take in the final cut that people will see, so make your worst shot/take look as darn good as possible. Every take counts... and refuse the usual: Let's shoot the rehearsal crap.


I have flown GII's, Panastars, BL-4's, 535's... My stuff from the LWII or a Moviecam looked way better over the entire day... and I felt way better at the end of the day and the pay check was way bigger as well...

But it's your Back, Health, Reputation, etc.... your call.
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#15 thomas-english

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Posted 25 February 2004 - 01:26 PM

thanx a lot!

i turned it down..... forums like this enable u not to have to learn from your own mistakes.
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