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#1 joe mcnally

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Posted 11 February 2004 - 08:48 AM

Hi Guys and girls.
Joe McNally here UK
Need some help please.
I would like to buy a Magliner cart and I am getting a bit confused with all the options.
Junior Senior ?
One or two shelves ?
Vest holder
Swing away handles ?
Width of shelves.
Wheels ?
Well just wondered if anyone has one of these carts and finds them useful. Is there anything better around ?
Where is the best place to purchase in the States/UK ?
Sorry for all the questions but if I can get an answer to one or two i'd be happy.
Thanks for any help
Joe
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#2 ericoh

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Posted 12 February 2004 - 01:38 AM

Hi Joe,

I find that the Magliner is great except when you are in an interior or tight space. It's handy to have all those shelves (one or two) but once your rig is built, you really don't have much stuff to cart around.

What I use is called the Murphy Cart. Daniel Sauve, and Jeremy Benning are some of the operators using the same cart. It is made by a guy in Toronto by the name of Kevin Murphy he is not an operator (not to be mistaken for veteran Toronto steadicam operator Keith Murphy). I find Kevin's cart to be very sturdy and as they are more "upright" than Magliners, they have a small footprint that will allow you to wheel you rig around tight spaces, and through tight doorways. The cart has shelf/surface to work on, a place for you to hang your vest (front or back-mounted), a hook to hang an arm bag, water bottle holders, and ample storage for batteries and accessories in the base of the cart. Even though the cart sits higher, you can still do your static and dynamic balancng on it.

He makes 2 versions. One is completely rigid and welded together, and the other (a little more expensive) is modular and can be dimantled and stored into its own base. Comes with a lid to that latches to the base. Great for shipping. Daniel Sauve used to sell the carts (you can check them out on his website http://www.xsample.c...igns/carts.htm) but now if you want one you have to contact Kevin directly. If you are interested, email me and I can give you Kevin's email address.

When I was an AC, I found Magliners indespensible. As for a cart that suits the needs of a steadicam operator, I found that the Murphy cart is far superior to the Magliner, even with all of Magliner's steadicam accessories. Also, I believe the Magliner is more expensive than the Murphy cart. The collapsible cart goes for about US$1000 and the rigid version is about US$500-600. Have had mine for over 2 years now and love it. Just my opinion.

Best wishes,

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#3 Erwin Landau

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Posted 14 February 2004 - 12:41 AM

I have a custom cart from Backstage Backstage Equipment it's based on a Magliner Junior, actually the only part still stock is the frame. (I helped design a couple of parts, including the Vest Holder, Steadiriser, noseless frame, square handle, 10" conversion, etc, which led to the develpment of the frameless cart).

The guys at Backstage are very helpful and can make anything custom for you...

I like to have everything close by, just in case. It fits through all standard sized doors and can reach almost all sets that I had to work on, as long as there is an elevator. For non accessable sets I still carry a stand, but I still build and balance on the cart, I don't trust the stand. Also don't like to dangle my FF handunit from the stand, it stays in my AKS case on the cart...

I never had a problem to get it into locations, usually me and the Sound guys are the only carts allowed. We shot in Million Dollar mansions... I was in and on the carpet... the taco cart had to stay outside...

My cart has an extra high top shelf, sits on 10" removable wheels, has an integrated Combostand riser with a Steadibumper, a short shelf for chargers, and a shelf for my DSD. Has a place for the stand and the Superpost. See picture below.

Probably this time around I would start with a YAEGER & SONS SR./JR. CASE CART to facilitate shipping.

Hope that helps...

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#4 joe mcnally

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Posted 14 February 2004 - 04:58 PM

Hi Erwin, Eric and Marcus
many thanks for the advise.
I have ended up buying a Magliner off of an AC who overheard I was looking for one. Its great and just what I needed. A bit like the back mount vest just kicking myself I did not buy one years ago.
Its a Mag Junior with big wheels and had very little use. I need to make up a mast for the docking bracket and a bumper. The cart seems very stable. I was worried from the photos it may tip over with the rig on but now I see it is very solid. I can also use it for non Steadi jobs.
I havent seen anyone with the Yaeger cart in the UK are they popular in the States ?
Again many thanks for the input
Cheers
Joe McNally
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#5 Erwin Landau

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Posted 14 February 2004 - 06:45 PM

Try that for a riser (See picture) they also have Vest holders, etc... unfortunately they never update there website... (And no I'm not getting a dime from them, for the design or the referals... damn I'm doing something wrong...)

As for the Yaeger cart.... lately many AC's, that I know, are swithing to it, it's very rigid, light, turns it self into a case, great for shipping... and the whole thing consists of 10 pieces... and the prices are very similar with all the AKS that you need...

BTW: Backstage is makeing a similar style cart...

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#6 joe mcnally

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Posted 18 February 2004 - 01:20 PM

Hi Erwin
thats perfect I will order one shortly.
Many thanks again
Joe
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#7 Anthony Hardwick

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Posted 18 February 2004 - 01:43 PM

Joe,

Yaeger carts are very popular with AC's in LA. In NYC it seems like most AC's use Magliners or Rubber Maid carts - at least as of a couple of years ago. The nice thing about Yaeger carts as Erwin pointed out above is that it breaks down and becomes it's own case for airlines or shipping. The wheels are protected inside the cart when collapsed. It's also rugged and very stable. I'm leaning towards one of these, and modifying it to have some of the nice steadi-specific features that some of the other carts have.

I used to have a Magliner when I was an AC in NYC. I lost track of it many years ago (think it's in an ex-girlfriend's garage somewhere). Anyway, they're very good carts, so I'm sure it'll serve you well and make your life easier.

Best of luck with it,

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#8 Mitch Gross

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Posted 18 February 2004 - 02:14 PM

Yeager carts are very nice and I'm surprised their not becoming more popular in NYC. Not only do they ship nicely but they also store in a much smaller space than a Magliner. They could be easily modified for Steadicam use and I'm sure the company would do it just like Backstage if you talked to them about what you'd like.
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#9 Erwin Landau

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 03:43 AM

Here the info for the Company that makes the Yaeger Cart.
Maybe somebody could see if they would be willing to make some mods to accomodate us...
Bug them a little...

Maken Material Handling
Yaeger & Sons
20908 Currier Road
City Of Industry, CA 91789

Phone: 909-594-6640

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#10 Erwin Landau

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 03:49 AM

And nicely folded for shipping...

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 11:01 AM

I have just been trying to "steadicam" up my magliner. However my problem seems to be that my magliner is NALPAK . As I am trying to do the wheel conversion to 8' wheels.

NALPAK refuse to ship outside of the states. will the backstage conversion fit?

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#12 Stephen Murphy

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 05:17 AM

Thomas,

Ring the stores department in Panavision; they sell the wheel conversion kit and the extra wide shelves.
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Posted 02 August 2005 - 07:08 AM

Thanks Stephen

unfortunately I had already tried panastores and they only sell the "backstage" conversions that don t fit NALPAK ......

Does anyone know anyone that can make the backstage conversion fit the NALPAK
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#14 Stephen Murphy

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Posted 03 August 2005 - 12:49 PM

Thomas,

take 2 also sell a whole range of magliners and aks; maybe they can modify yours?
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#15 Erwin Landau

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Posted 29 March 2006 - 05:02 AM

So... continuing from the wanted section... Looking for magliner/liberator cart:


I started with a Magliner Junior because that was the only cart that would fit into my then car (the Rabbit/Golf1 Convertible) I went through 8 generations (5 years in the making) with a lot of developments that included the Steadicam Riser unit, the Vest holder for PRO and Klassen Vests, The 10 inch all around conversion etc.

All parts are now available from Backstage and Filmtools.

I was never very comfortable to balance my rig on a Stand, I believe that you want to have some leverage to prevent the Stand from tipping... like some 200 Lbs Plus counter weight in form of a cart... Cases... Batteries...

But for the guys that still prefer the stand I came up with a front box for Aks....


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Here my cart shortly before I sold it in 2005 (it lives in London now).

Fly safe,

Erwin
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