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#1 PeterAbraham

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Posted 29 December 2014 - 12:33 PM

Sometime in the last year, I loaned out my Tri Ax cable made with silicone jacketing. Very rare, impossible to replace since it was a one- time run for Cinema Products.

If you've got it, please PM me or email me at: peter@steadicamproductionservices.com

I need it back !

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Posted 06 January 2015 - 04:18 PM

Nothing?  Damn....


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#3 Janice Arthur

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Posted 06 January 2015 - 05:41 PM

Peter;

Just an idea but search "triax" on your email account and see what comes up? Most likely you had some email or text discussion with someone.

Good luck.

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Posted 06 January 2015 - 08:28 PM

Come on people; this was not a book lent out!  We help people and then when we need it, we are screwed.  Peter, I don't have that fancy CP one, but I have the Tri-ax to BNC adapters if you want to borrow them.


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#5 PeterAbraham

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 11:33 AM

Yeah I tried that Janice. No dice. Weird- I used to have an Excel spreadsheet that listed stuff I'd loaned out or borrowed, to whom, etc. That speadsheet is gone.

 

I blame space aliens. Anyway, the search continues...

 

Alec, thank you so much for the offer- and thanks to Claus who offered the same kit with light cables to connect through ! I've got those Kings Triax to Coax barrels, but some Engineers in some studios refuse to allow the use of them. Hence the desire to get ahold of that genuine Triax cable.

 

Back in the day, Cinema Products paid for a one-off run of this. When the spool was finally used up, the decision was made not to have another done. There is zero identifiers of any kind on this cable ( on purpose, I think that C.P. wanted to keep the monopoly on it ). Pity. It's sheathed in thin silicone and is quite the limp light thing.


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#6 JimBartell

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 01:33 PM

Back in the day, Cinema Products paid for a one-off run of this. When the spool was finally used up, the decision was made not to have another done. There is zero identifiers of any kind on this cable ( on purpose, I think that C.P. wanted to keep the monopoly on it ). Pity. It's sheathed in thin silicone and is quite the limp light thing.

 

Hi Peter,

 

Ah, yes, I remember it well.  I was the engineer in charge of getting that cable made.  We went through several iterations with the manufacturer before we got what we wanted.  Along the the silicone insulation the center conductor was stranded cadmium.  Much more flexible that stranded copper.  I doubt there was anything else like it ever made.  Nice to see it was appreciated.

 

Jim Bartell


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#7 Alec Jarnagin SOC

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 08:47 PM

Peter, seriously, when "that guy" says you can't use it, you need to say "OK, I won't but I'm leaving and YOU can explain to the director and producer why there is no Steadicam here."  Anyone who has ever worked with me will tell you how nice and accommodating I am, but a couple of times in my career I've had bullies try and pull stuff like that on me and then I'm less nice (cough, cough).


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#8 Alan Rencher

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 09:19 PM

 

Hi Peter,

 

Ah, yes, I remember it well.  I was the engineer in charge of getting that cable made.  We went through several iterations with the manufacturer before we got what we wanted.  Along the the silicone insulation the center conductor was stranded cadmium.  Much more flexible that stranded copper.  I doubt there was anything else like it ever made.  Nice to see it was appreciated.

 

Jim Bartell

 

Hey Jim, any chance the manufacturer might still have a part number the that custom spool that other people could use to bring it back to life?


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Posted 09 January 2015 - 09:10 AM



Peter, seriously, when "that guy" says you can't use it, you need to say "OK, I won't but I'm leaving and YOU can explain to the director and producer why there is no Steadicam here."  Anyone who has ever worked with me will tell you how nice and accommodating I am, but a couple of times in my career I've had bullies try and pull stuff like that on me and then I'm less nice (cough, cough).

 

Trying to imagine you less nice is a little bit like trying to imagine Ron less sexy. C'est impossible.

 

Seriously? I've really battled with Engineers about the use of the adaptors. I almost always won. To be clear for those not overly familiar, the concern on the part of Engineering is this. There's 165 VDC running down that Triax. Enough amps to fire the camera body, output power for accessories and so on. When you use thin jumpers, you do risk having a crack appear in the cable between the inner core and shield. The inner core runs the 165V +. The shield runs the ground and camera telemetry.

 

If a crack occurs, you risk being shocked. Killed? No. Getting a nice zotz? Yeah you bet. No biggie. But in this highly litigious environment, some house guys refuse to allow rather than risk a freelancer get a shock. My gear, my cables, my body. Therefore, my call.

 

What is most fascinating about the response and safety concerns is that now that fiber cabled cameras are mostly the norm, and all of us carry fiber jumpers, those denials of use of our jumpers has just about disappeared. Those jumpers are professionally made and tested and are entirely safe. But fair to say, they're mighty thin !! Similarly to the old style Triax jumper cables, I trust these fiber jumpers day to day and never give the voltage a second thought.

 

Jim? You nailed the design, as usual. That silicone cable was an incredible gift to those of us struggling with old-school Triax. Stranded cadmium? Remarkable.


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#10 Alec Jarnagin SOC

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 01:14 PM

"Those jumpers are professionally made and tested and are entirely safe."

 

 

Peter, glad to hear you usually won that argument.  Those King BNC adapters are also made by a reputable and professional company.  The super thing adapters from CP could have the same problem but you can't just swap out the cable because its soldered.  I never understood them.  You do have a good point about them being worried about safety, if that is indeed where the concern truly comes from.  


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Posted 12 January 2015 - 06:28 PM

Peter,
I have a thin triax jumper with a right angle connector you can use - give me a ring.
I will bring it to the studio - stop by and pick it up.
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#12 JimBartell

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Posted 12 January 2015 - 08:16 PM

 

Hey Jim, any chance the manufacturer might still have a part number the that custom spool that other people could use to bring it back to life?

Sorry, Alan, that was literally 20 years ago and all my notes got left behind when I left CPC. I do remember it was a custom run that they would only do if we ordered 1000' of it.  As far as I know we got all they made.  I don't even remember which company made it.

 

Peter, I remember demonstrating that cable to you in our suite at The Hilton during ShowBiz East in '94(?) just before the big storm hit and shut down the city.  I had told you in advance that we had a new ultra-flexible cable and you poo-pooed it as you had found some new flexible cable of your own.  You picked up a piece of the cable by one end and it hung down as limp as a well-cooked spaghetti noodle.  You just stared at it and, after a second or two, went "You win".  I think we all won, my friend.

 

Jim


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#13 Charles Papert

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Posted 12 January 2015 - 09:56 PM

Peter, I remember demonstrating that cable to you in our suite at The Hilton during ShowBiz East in '94(?) just before the big storm hit and shut down the city. 

I remember that one. Was demoing for CP at that show. High-tailed in my car back to Boston well after most sane people considered the city shut down, like the wiseass I was.

 


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#14 JimBartell

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Posted 12 January 2015 - 10:57 PM

I remember that one. Was demoing for CP at that show. High-tailed in my car back to Boston well after most sane people considered the city shut down, like the wiseass I was.

 

That's the one.  No doubt your sense of self-esteem was over-inflated by the fact you had Garret Brown and Larry McConkey shlep your bags back to your car.  It snowed so hard I was able to stand in the middle of Broadway and not see a car moving in either direction.  Fourth largest snowfall in NYC history.

 

It was January of 1996.  I remember because I got the day off due to the snow and walked across the street to a theater and watched "12 Monkeys".


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#15 Charles Papert

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Posted 12 January 2015 - 11:44 PM

There is so much more to that story Jim...I think I'll start a separate post since it has exactly nothing to with triax cable and poor Peter's thread has wandered so far off the tracks that it is lying on its back in a ditch behind the depot.

 

Speaking of which: Peter, I have your triax, I have no use for it and I'm never giving it back. The end.


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