Canceled with 10 hours notice
Posted 01 August 2005 - 11:52 PM
Personally I'd just like to smack them with a bat.... Any help?
Posted 02 August 2005 - 02:30 AM
I never charge a good client except I know their client will pay for the loss.
Posted 02 August 2005 - 02:34 AM
Although I think that if I were in your situation, I would charge a reasonable cancellation fee like every other independant service provider does. Just invoice them for $350 booking fee, for example; If you call for a tow truck driver and he shows up to find that you have suddenly fixed your car, he will ask for a $35 call charge (or hook charge). I think that invoicing for a full day rate may not be apropriate, but I am curious what the operators with professional agents usually do in a situation like this.
Posted 02 August 2005 - 03:41 AM
When I was speaking to an agent the other day who was trying to take me on. They said what was normal was (in the UK)
within 24hrs of call time = full rate
24 to 48 hours = half rate
confirmed booking cancellation = 25%
You may be surprised that the accounts department simply expect an invoice from you for cancelling. Remember there is already a political devide between the DoP/Director against production, and its the DoP/Director combo that hired you and like you... maybe just send them a 25% to 50% invoice with a covering note as a little slap in the face, I don t mind annoying production a bit because I know that the DoP won t care and would probably respect me for it even.
Posted 02 August 2005 - 05:41 AM
So, were I in the situation, I would probably very matter of factly ask about the cancellation fee for the day, and let them propose one, knowing that they should be happy to give me my rate for the day.
If you feel that this is not going to work, or if you don't want to tred on the politics of a long standing relationship with a producer, you might want to broach the idea of a future policy of cancellation fee for the next time, so that you don't lose income by turning down other work. If production is not understanding, you should think twice about working with that particular company in again. Its all about business and being fair.
Posted 02 August 2005 - 08:56 AM
Here in Philadelphia, when I work as a camera operator or steadicam operator, I have always done the less then 24 hours = full rate.
If it was 24 to 48 hours, I sometimes let it slide and I sometimes charged 1/2 rate.
I have never heard of charging a "booking fee", but most of my work is still as a camera operator without gear. But I would like you know more about that topic?
Now here is my question.
What if you were booked for say 10 days work three months ago, then 50 hours before the job-- you were cancelled. Technically under the 24/ 24-48 rule they owe you nothing. But ten days would be a big lose. and if they booked you three months ago the odds are you lost at least a few days work in addition to the 10 they cancelled you for.
Or what if they called 40 hours before the job and cancelled you for the whole 10 days. Technically, they only owe you 1/2 rate for 1 day but nothing else.
Or what if they called it off with less then 24 hours notice. That would mean they owe you one day at full rate and one day at 1/2 rate but nothing else.
I have only once had a problem with a client [HDNet] canceling me for a multi day gig where I did not get paid some sort of compensation. Most of my work is just a day or two here, and a day or two there. So?
I was wondering what some of you do when you are booked on a multi day gig to protect yourself from taking "the big hit" if the client bags the gig right before shoot?
Posted 02 August 2005 - 09:31 PM
As for demanding a full cancellation for the 10 days, I am not sure that I would go that far. Stuff happens to production companies the same way they happen to us. Cancellations are not uncommon, and unawarding of jobs is pretty common too. Maybe you can ask if the company received any sort of cancellation from the client (providing that the job is a commercial or industrial), and if so to please compensate you accordingly.
As far as movies are concerned.... that is a harder nut. People are fired, not rehired, changed, and replaced on films on a whim. I have done my fair share of pictures and tv shows and I never spend the last weeks check until I have worked the last week of the picture.
I guess what I am trying to say is that unless it is a union shoot and the specific rules of cancellation apply, you have to accept that we are daily hires and that the most we can expect from a producer is a days pay. If you get more, you have found a producer that you should work for as often as possible.
Posted 03 August 2005 - 09:23 AM
With all of this said, each situation has to be delt individually. Just be fair, it seems to work, good carma.
Posted 03 August 2005 - 02:46 PM
Posted 12 August 2005 - 12:42 AM