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#1 Marc R. Berger

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 09:25 AM

Hi, 

I´m a longtime follower of this incredible helpful and interesting forum, but new as a active member. I started a couple of month ago with steadicam operating (Don´t be afraid I´m not bothering you at this point with a demo reel!) First I visited a Tiffen silver workshop with Robin Twaithes and Danny Hallett. This was a perfect starting point with the help and input of such great Instructors.

Right now I´m building up my Rig and I´m having a hard time to decide which Monitor I should buy. Because I´m living in France and I don´t have enough money to buy cheap or not bullet proofed, I´m  interested in a Transvideo Monitor. Transvideo gave me a very interesting quote for a CineHD 6" classic SBL or eSBL. What do you think about starting with the 6" SBL (I could upgrade later to the eSBL). Could anybody who owes this monitor share his experiences with it? And also maybe say some words about a right choice of today: Is the Classic serie  still okay or is the Evolution the must have now?

Or maybe the RainbowHD SBL?

As I said before, if I´m investing money in monitor now, I would like to work a couple of years with it. I´m having a solution to practicing already.

Thank you very much for your input,

Marc


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#2 Jens Piotrowski SOC

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 10:46 AM

esbl over sbl, for sure, why would you not go for optical bonding and a better AR coating?

 

Classic over Evolution, the displays are identical, the only differnce for us is the new compesated horizon available only on the Evo.

 

cinemonitor over rainbow, depends on your wallet and rig size. you need to remember that the rainbow is very light weight and you will most likely have to add a battery as weight to it.


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#3 Marc R. Berger

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 11:09 AM

Thank you Jens, your advices are very much welcome. So you suggest to go straight away with esbl, okay, that makes sense. Do you think it´s the compensated horizon is something worth to invest so much more?

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#4 Jens Piotrowski SOC

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 11:23 AM

If this is going to be your one and only level, yes.

If you are planing on buying the Tiffen or upcoming XCS one, No.
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#5 Robert Starling SOC

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 11:33 AM

I agree with Jens' suggestion for the choice between the two.  I own a SBL which I bought before the bonded glass.  It is still however a very very good monitor.

 

However, as a brand new operator you should put it in perspective that a lot of very historic and classic shots were done with tiny little green screen monitors and older LCD technology.  Before you spend all your money on the best of everything make sure you have money left for the $10,000+++ worth of accessories you'll have to buy.  Robin probably covered that in your workshop but most workshops gloss over those additional expenses because manufacturers workshops are there to sell rigs not accessory systems.

 

You're better off having a better arm, good monitor, focus system, transmitter and other items than the top of the line monitor unless of course you can afford everything from the start.

 

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#6 Jens Piotrowski SOC

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 01:51 PM

words of wisdom anybody should consider, how about a Cinemonitor IIIA SBl for $800-1000 to start...


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#7 Marc R. Berger

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 02:57 PM

Thanks to both of you. Your opinion and thoughts are very helpful.

 

Yes, Robin considered it. I´m aware of all what´s involved. As a manufacturer I would also outfit the workshop with my rigs. But nobody tried to sell us something, it´s was not a kind of tupperware Party (Sorry, but I always get the impression a lot of people in this forum think like that about the Tiffen workshops. I would take every other workshop from somebody else as well and with a great pleasure, but they were none around. And after having joined a Tiffen workshop I would always go back to one of them as well). Anyway, I didn´t buy a Tiffen rig. I think they have incredible rigs, but the good ones are way to far for my wallet and also needs. I got a rig from action products. It´s a swiss manufacturer with great rigs a bit like the GPI pro rigs in the US, done with a incredible love to the detail and the craftsmanship of swiss engineering and machining, and very modular too.

Coming back to the topic. Jens, I was looking to the Cinemonitor IIIA as well, but I would need a extra downconverter and cables and I arrive more at around 1800.- with this choice.

I´ll sleep over it again.

Marc


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 06:22 PM

http://www.tvlogicus...?model=SRM-074W

 

http://www.sav.tv/fr/vid/tout_tmp.htm

 

 

 

 

this might be interesting as well...


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#9 Marc R. Berger

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 02:02 AM

Hi Jens, nice find thanks.

Just compared the specs with the Cine6HD classic, and the biggest difference for me is the operating temperature, tvlogic 0°-, transvideo starts at -20°. I forgot to mention I´m working sometimes in -20° environments. 

Marc


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#10 Marc R. Berger

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 09:00 AM

I agree with Jens' suggestion for the choice between the two.  I own a SBL which I bought before the bonded glass.  It is still however a very very good monitor.

 

 

Robert

Hi Robert, 

I don´t know which SBL you have, but I just spoke with transvideo and they assured me it´s possible to upgrade the actual SBL to eSBL. 

Thank you all for the input. I was also looking to all the other available  possibilities and finally decided to go with the transvideo. I got a nearly new CineHD 6"SBL at a refurbished price which puts it right beside the tvlogic Jens mentioned. I think I´m nothing doing wrong with that and I can upgrade to eSBL within 2 days if I really need it (I´m living a six hours drive away from transvideo).

Marc


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