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#1 Ana Melendez

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 09:52 PM

Hello I work with the Laing M-02 stabilizer and I'm having problems keeping it balanced once it gets balance. So I first balance it on a light stand then by the time I put it on the arm it's not longer balanced so I need to rebalance it. Does anyone know if there's a special technic to balance it. If anyone can please help me out, thanks.
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#2 Victor Lazaro

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 10:06 PM

This is being discussed and answered here, thank you for not multi threading : http://www.steadicam...topic=18203&hl=


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#3 Victor Lin

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 11:15 PM

This is being discussed and answered here, thank you for not multi threading : http://www.steadicam...topic=18203&hl=

 

That thread is in the business section and is predominantly a business-related thread. This one is in the Newbie section which will get more replies geared towards balancing the M-02.


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#4 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 02:05 AM

This is being discussed and answered here, thank you for not multi threading : http://www.steadicam...topic=18203&hl=

 
That thread is in the business section and is predominantly a business-related thread. This one is in the Newbie section which will get more replies geared towards balancing the M-02.

Except no one here flys that rig. This is a forum for professional level rigs
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#5 Lars Erik

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 02:48 AM

Ana, as Eric said, this forum is for operators with high-end rigs.

I doubt anyone here have any experience with your equipment.

Please do a google search on your rig, and you'll get several hits. Ask a similar question on those forums.

Or you can just contact Laing directly or the place you purchased the rig.

Good luck.

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#6 Mark Schlicher

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:40 PM

Ana, please don't let any self-appointed gatekeeper make you feel unwelcome in the Newbie section. Good gear is important, but there is no rule that I'm aware of that says you have to own professional-level gear to post a question in this sub-forum. What is most important in the Newbie section is that you demonstrate a serious desire to respect, understand and learn the craft.

 

The uncomfortable fact is that the Laing stabilizer is not a well-built or well-engineered piece of equipment. Like a $50 guitar that won't stay in tune, you will probably be continually frustrated by the Laing's poor construction and its effects on your learning how to operate. If you are serious you will need to consider upgrading very soon. Although a couple of folks who frequent the forum have tried out the Laing (and found it sorely lacking), I doubt that anyone here can diagnose your particular problems from afar.

 

To add to the suggestion to find another forum frequented by Liang users (try Reduser.net, for starters), you could try to find a sympathetic local Steadicam operator to check the rig for you, to confirm whether it is a defect vs. inexperience. This may be difficult, but there are many generous operators, and they may even be curious to see a Laing in person.

 

In a more general sense, the recommendations that will help you the most are the same that were given to me, and that every newbie receives. Take heed, they are:

 

1. Buy the Steadicam Operators Handbook and study it. (Amazon.com)

2. Buy the EFP training DVD and understand it. (Steadicam.com)

3. Take some kind of a workshop (at least a private lesson or two from an operator, or one of Tiffen's weekend workshops).

4. Practice, practice, practice.

 

The other thing you should know is that most questions you could think of have been asked and answered before. Please make liberal use of the browse and search functions.

 

Good luck in your pursuit of camera stabilization.


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#7 RonBaldwin

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:00 PM

I have some pretty mixed emotions about this situation (no doubt other laing users will follow) and can see both sides of this coin.  This is a classic case of getting what you pay for.  It reminds me of those posers who buy el-cheapo suv's (some not so cheap) and then show up on a hard core off-road forum asking why they can't do the crazy trails without breaking stuff and being towed out.  

 

Lesson be learned.  Smart to do a little research and talk to some pros before investing in what you know nothing about.  Now get your hands on the efp training video and watch what's supposed to happen and maybe with a little practice and small investment your gear can be salvaged for some low end stuff.

 

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#8 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:01 PM

Ana, please don't let any self-appointed gatekeeper make you feel unwelcome in the Newbie section. Good gear is important, but there is no rule that I'm aware of that says you have to own professional-level gear to post a question in this sub-forum. What is most important in the Newbie section is that you demonstrate a serious desire to respect, understand and learn the craft.

 

Well actually Mark, this is (or was) a place to only talk about professional level gear (IE a sled that has a monitor, can power a camera and follow focus and uses a arm) that piece of kit is not and as such I doubt that you'd find anyone here that has used it


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#9 Brian Freesh

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:46 PM

Ron, I'm getting my 2wd 4 cylinder escape onto a trail dangit, you can't stop me!


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#10 Lars Erik

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:03 AM

Mark,

I understand that you feel that we're not being welcome here towards Ana. I disagree. Eric only said that this was a forum for professional rigs. Hence, few or none here would know this rig.

I did a fast google search and found several other forums were this rig is discussed. Reduser, dvxforum etc.

If every rig in the world were discussed here, this forum would really lose its purpose.
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#11 Jerry Holway

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:17 AM

Let's see - some operators who know a lot about operating a "real stabilizer" are here on this forum.

 

We have a newbie section, where the very inexperienced can find "real" answers rather than on another forum frequented by folks who probably have less experience.

 

What's the problem?

 

If anyone doesn't want to read posts in the newbie section or answer those posts, just don't. Easy enough.

 

Doubt if any of it clogs up anything.


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#12 Lars Erik

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:55 AM

Jerry, meant no disrespect towards Ana here. Simply saying that users on this forum might not have any knowledge on this rig. So only adviced her that posting her question on a different forum. That's all. What's next? Maybe we should create a DIY stabilizers inside this forum? Perhaps you're correct Jerry. If you are, then you have my deepest apologies.

BTW we never said "real stabilizers" in the way you wrote it. We only said pro rigs. I don't agree with you that that was the tone in this topic.
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#13 Evrim KAYA

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:21 AM

The steadicam technology is based on Newtonian physics which is universal. I think that dismissing someone’s question in the newbie section solely because he/she uses a sub-par stabilizer is not logical. Who cares if the newbie has a monitor on the rig or not? One of the reasons to have a newbie section is help people starting out get answers to their questions by professionals.

 

But,

 

If the question is more about the equipment than the physics then it becomes more or less un-answerable on this forum. Because most of the time these sub-par rigs are poorly constructed and prone to behave in unusual ways which means it’s much harder to pinpoint the source of a specific problem. Another reason is most of the time people using these rigs are very inexperienced which translates to very vague questions being asked.

 

I’m up for trying to help any serious question. So the middle ground should be the questions should be detailed and well thought of. A short video of the problem accompanying the question would be very helpful as well.

 

If we have enough data on the subject at hand, some of us will gladly help.

 

Also, I second all that is said by Mark.

 

Fly safe.


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#14 jeremy keisser

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 05:23 PM

Hi Ana,

this video may help you

cheers


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#15 jeremy keisser

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 05:26 PM

this is the correct video

the 1st video is a general presentation of the rig..sorry


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