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#1 Tommy Rorvik

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:16 PM

I have been using my Pilot for a few years now doing every possible news/magazine/reality story (mayby not the most common type of steadicam work...but its so much more fun with a steadicam) I can with it (and a HVX200) and have been really happy with it, and still am. The rig is still working fine, but sooner or later I will have to start replacing parts of it or the whole rig.

So am thinking about upgrading to a Scout system. But since I will have to pay for it myself (my tv station shows little interest in sponsoring it) I am unsure. Will have to sacrifice a lot of other stuff to do so. The thing is that the pilot rig supports the HVX200 with wireless sound and everything I need without problems. And I will soon probably be upgrading to an AF100 (which actually weighs less even with lens) which should work fine with the pilot (and give me some more creative toys to play with like deapth of field). And I don't see the need to fly our bigger shoulder Panasonic cameras. So I do not need a bigger rig to support heavier equipment.

So my question is....if I upgrade to a Scout system and put a lot of weights on it to make it much heavier then I can make the pilot, will my shots be significantly more stable just from the fact that I am flying a heavier rig, or will the experience be similar to flying the pilot? And will keeping a level horizon be a little bit easier with a heavier rig? or is it just based on skill?

Hope someone who have worked with both systems (or similar) can say a little about how different they feel to help me make up my mind if it's worth it, or if I should just go on with my pilot and some day replace it with a new when it gets worn out.

Here are a few samples of the type of work I need to do daily (this is from a while back, the first stuff I did with the rig):


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#2 Brian Freesh

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:08 PM

So my question is....if I upgrade to a Scout system and put a lot of weights on it to make it much heavier then I can make the pilot, will my shots be significantly more stable just from the fact that I am flying a heavier rig,


Techically no, not "just" because. But the added inertia makes things easier on you, so you may well see an improvement, or at least feel it. It's easier to go from a lighter rig to a heavier rig for control, it's easier to go from a heavier rig to a lighter rig for endurance.

Honestly, it sounds like you already know what's best for you.
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#3 Mark Schlicher

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:59 PM

The Pilot definitely takes a "light touch". I started with an HVX200 on a Flyer and actually enjoyed how nimble it was. I never saw it as a disadvantage, just a variation. When I first started flying heavier cameras with a new rig, it felt sluggish and unresponsive until I got used to it.

A lot of good work on your reel...great sense of composition and good control of the rig. "If it ain't broke..."

Honestly it doesn't sound like the minor advantages of the Scout would justify the cost in your current situation, and if you were to start flying larger cameras you'd run out of capacity with the Scout pretty quickly anyway.

Now, you might consider upgrading your vest...the Flyer/Scout vest is a significant upgrade in comfort compared to the Pilot vest, I'm told.
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#4 Tommy Rorvik

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:58 PM

Thanks a lot to both of you for the answers. It has been very very helpful. Upgrading just the vest is a great idea. Cant believe I didn't think about that. So have now decided to upgrade to a flyer vest instead of the whole Scout rig. So might look for a used one first and if I don't find a good deal I will just buy a new one when I go to LA on vacation in june. The price for just the vest is well within what I can justify spending and still save a bit to spend on a later replacement or upgrade for the pilot.            

 

The pilot vest is the one thing I have been most unhappy about my rig. Have always felt it was a bit uncomfortable to wear and despite several attempts at adjusting it I have always felt that it did not sit right and influenced my work in a bad way. So a better vest that I feel comfortable in might even help me relax and concentrate more so the work gets better.

 

So thanks again for being helpful.        


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#5 Tom Wills

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:34 PM

Charles Papert is selling one. Right now, his "asking price" is above the new price for one from Tiffen, but I'm sure he'll bring it down. Probably could save a few hundred! http://www.charlespa...sale/vests.html


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#6 Tommy Rorvik

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:32 PM

Charles Papert is selling one. Right now, his "asking price" is above the new price for one from Tiffen, but I'm sure he'll bring it down. Probably could save a few hundred! http://www.charlespa...sale/vests.html

Thanks :-) Will look into it. Noticed that it includes the large socket block worth 400 alone so that's probably the reason for the price. But will ask him. 


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