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#1 Samuel Angus Campbell

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:51 PM

Hey all,
steadi-newbie here, and I'm wondering if anyone can please help out with this question. I will be shooting with the red scarlett x on a video sk rig. I was told by a friend that the monitor on the rig will not support the hd video of the camera. He suggested an adapter for an LCD monitor to be gaffed onto the rig. Any other ideas or possible solutions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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#2 Alan Rencher

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:12 PM

You may want to be more descriptive. I've never heard of a "video sk rig", so it may be hard for me (or others for that matter) to give proper insight. If you're just looking for a downconverter to change the HD-SDI signal into composite or SD-SDI, try looking into buying a Decimator or a Blackmagic Design Mini Converter.

Downconverters have been discussed many times over the years on this forum, so don't be afraid of the search function!

Good luck!
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#3 Frederic Chamberland

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:32 PM

Hi Samuel ,

The video SK is an old rig . If you still have the green screen working , i would also suggest the decimator . It will downconvert your hd signal to an sd signal your monitor will ingest. Make sure you have the ability to power the decimator from the sled or the camera .
Good luck

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#4 Brian Freesh

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:33 PM

Agreed with Alan, viewing HD-SDI on an monitor with Composite input has been discussed many times on this forum. A little research will go a long way.

Speaking of research, Alan... Regarding the Video SK, here: http://lmgtfy.com/?q...adicam video sk :P
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#5 Alan Rencher

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:17 AM

Brian, I googled it earlier, but I didn't include "Steadicam" in front of it; the results were not helpful. I think my point is still valid.
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#6 Mohamad Faiz

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 08:57 AM

Hmmm nt too sure about s.k monitor.... But it mine is 4:3 aspect ratio and not switchable... Took out the monitor and did some modifications so as i could use an lcd monitor.... But i used an external battery on the monitor as so to help balancing purposes
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#7 Brian Freesh

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:02 PM

Alan, your Google-Fu is weak! And plenty of ops are aware of it anyway.

Since your point was that you couldn't easily give proper insight without more info, and then immediately you easily gave proper insight, I'm not sure what your argument is or why you are still making it. :P
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#8 Victor Lazaro

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:46 PM

Back to the subject,
You can try taping a monitor on the green screen, otherwise use a Downconverter. I am not sure the SDI cables in the rig can handle the HD signal.
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#9 Alan Rencher

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:20 AM

Brian, you will take any chance you get to cut me down. You keep me on my toes.
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#10 Brian Freesh

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:43 PM

Brian, you will take any chance you get to cut me down. You keep me on my toes.


Well that's a pretty radical interpretation of the text.

I supported the good advice you gave, twice. The rest was all in fun. No need to take personally.
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#11 Rob Vuona SOC

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:12 PM

Sam,
The SK doesn't have much connections to help your cause, a decimator may be the answer but you have to figure out how to power it from the rig. Adapting and splitting the power cable to allow you to use a P-Tap could work or just getting an HD battery operated Monitor and replacing whats currently on the rig could work as well. Either way your going to have to get creative to get the signal to your monitor

Hope that helps
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#12 David M. Aronson

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:56 PM

+1 for the Decimator. Black magic also makes some downconverters if you're strapped for cash, but you have to be VERY careful with the voltage you feed it. They will die if you give it 16V from a fresh Dionic. Trust me, it happened to me they day before a big job and made me look like a dumbass unprepared. Decimator all the way.
Also, Velcro! Get a big roll of industrial strength Velcro and cover your rig with it. You'll never need to use gaffer's tape again.
On the topic of the powering question, you will need to have a separate battery or a cable with in in line voltage regulator if you want to power the downconverter from your rig. I've only ever seen an SK at glance, but it looked similar to the Flyer topstage. Not a lot of room for more connectors, but not impossible to mod.
Hope this helps
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#13 Alan Rencher

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:13 AM

To add to what David was saying about the Blackmagic Mini Converters, the current generation supports up to ~30V input (but always double-check), so it's mostly the used ones that you have to watch out for.
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#14 Daniel Stilling DFF

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 08:50 PM

You can use a down converter (Decimator, Black Magic or Atomos Connect) and get a composite signal that your sled should be able to deal with.
You can power those down converters assuming you have a battery plate on the back of the camera that's either V mount or Anton Bauer, from the Ptap connector.
Alternatively you can get a long (4ft) monitor cable from RED and attach the touchscreen on the bottom of your sled, and just run the cable externally. This will work best indoors, as the touchscreen is not amazing out in the sun.
If you get a regular HDSDI monitor, make sure it's daylight viewable. You will probably need an external cable as your sled most likely wont be able to support and SDI signal going through it.
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