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#1 Nikolay Kerezov

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:34 AM

Here is the story:
After long emailing and phone calls with some friend of the buyer (who owns Bulgarian passport and speaks Bulgarian) I finally decide to comply this guy wish and bring my steadicam for sale in Turkey.
The buyer Zafer Sevener ( member of this forum) said that he will need visa ,this will take 45 days,it will be a nightmare for him to make this deal in different way.Once I've booked room in hotel in town for his guy to come talk to me,the guy didn't come.Then in Sunday afternoon he called me saying that the only chance to make a deal can happen if I bring the steadicam Monday afternoon in Turkey. Well I was free ,so I take it and met the guy on the border ,he passed us with the equipment thru the borders without filling documents or so,good enough because he assured me that there is no way the buyer will say no to the deal...OK
We've met two young guys sended by the buyer a little after the border inside Turkey. They where send buy Zafer to make the deal because he is busy,Ok I don't really care who is there I know what I'm selling.
After doing all this to sell this:
http://www.steadicam...816
The two guys told me that they where thinking that I'll show then Ultra 2 or similar and they try to make me look stupid at front of my father ( I took him with me for company).
They almost didn't have any knowledge of steadicam models ,makers or anything.
I was ,insulted bad at front of my father by two punks because I was so stupid to deal with someone I don't know .
Please guys tell me did I explain well what I'm selling or not? How much this http://www.steadicam...816 looks like Ultra2 ?
Be aware of dealing with Sevener !!!!
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#2 JobScholtze

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 10:02 AM

Wow, what a story.

And yes, its sad, there are dishonest people on this forum. I had to deal with a couple too. The all want to buy, but dont have the cash to spend. In your case, thats a real waste of time/money.
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#3 Evrim KAYA

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 11:22 AM

Hello Nikolay,

First let me say that I’m very sorry about your troubles. This forum is the main source of knowledge and equipment for us, the professional steadicam operators. One bad apple in this bunch will rot the rest and the trust toward one on other will be ruined.

I recently bought a used Ultra2 package complete with Bartech remote focus from Brandon Baudier from this forum. All went great and at the end I had a very good rig and also a good friend. At some point Brandon and I, we both decided to trust each other which made this deal possible.

You did very well by calling out this guy by his name on this public forum which made possible for the guy to come out and explain himself or made us the forum members aware of this person.

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I am offended about the title of your topic. A bad person is a bad person no matter where he is from, which color he is, so on... Your title made look like all deals made from TURKEY(in capital letters!) might be dubious which is a faulty generalization. Your title might make my life harder when I try to make a deal in the future and I certainly don`t deserve this. I personally don`t care about countries, frontiers, races or religions; personally I only care about people and world as a whole so my complaint is not based on national pride or such thing.

I am also ready to help you if you need to communicate and resolve any problems with this guy. Just send me PM and we will talk about it. But first of all you should contact the admin and change the title of your topic.

I don’t mean that you shouldn’t give the country information as you explained what happened to you in detail but putting a title like “insulting buyer from TURKEY!” in order to summarize the whole thing is wrong. This is only a detail to the story which is not relevant to the outcome and don’t deserve to be at the title in capital letters and a exclamation point.
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#4 Nikolay Kerezov

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 11:32 AM

Hello Nikolay,

First let me say that I’m very sorry about your troubles. This forum is the main source of knowledge and equipment for us, the professional steadicam operators. One bad apple in this bunch will rot the rest and the trust toward one on other will be ruined.

I recently bought a used Ultra2 package complete with Bartech remote focus from Brandon Baudier from this forum. All went great and at the end I had a very good rig and also a good friend. At some point Brandon and I, we both decided to trust each other which made this deal possible.

You did very well by calling out this guy by his name on this public forum which made possible for the guy to come out and explain himself or made us the forum members aware of this person.

BUT

I am offended about the title of your topic. A bad person is a bad person no matter where he is from, which color he is, so on... Your title made look like all deals made from TURKEY(in capital letters!) might be dubious which is a faulty generalization. Your title might make my life harder when I try to make a deal in the future and I certainly don`t deserve this. I personally don`t care about countries, frontiers, races or religions; personally I only care about people and world as a whole so my complaint is not based on national pride or such thing.

I am also ready to help you if you need to communicate and resolve any problems with this guy. Just send me PM and we will talk about it. But first of all you should contact the admin and change the title of your topic.

I don’t mean that you shouldn’t give the country information as you explained what happened to you in detail but putting a title like “insulting buyer from TURKEY!” in order to summarize the whole thing is wrong. This is only a detail to the story which is not relevant to the outcome and don’t deserve to be at the title in capital letters and a exclamation point.

Evrim,
I'm so sorry it sounds so bad to you that I called the country by name ( only the first letter is capital)!
My apologies to anyone who told this is against country ,color or anything else!
I just wanted to aware the people ,because the same guy(s) might be in deal procedure with someone else.
Once again I'm sorry!
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#5 Osvaldo Silvera SOC

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 11:59 PM

If someone messes with you on a deal, Call them out, Name names, locations and times, We all work too hard to buy this equipment we use. If folks are here wasting our time, we better make sure everyone knows about it. It will only help and protect others from having the same thing happen to them.
I've sold things and bought things from members of this forum and before this forum, the AOL chatrooms many many times, even before Paypal was popular and most of the time either I or the other op sent the items out before even seeing a check, just on the fact that they were working Steadicam operators was a sign you could trust them. Kind of like if All Steadicam Ops were of the same tribe and Trust was inherent. That's no longer the case with the advent of starter rigs, etc..and thousands of people buying rigs and making Steadicam Operator business cards the next day.
Good for you for telling the story, and Glad you made it out OK. Border crossings and customs could have made your day a living hell.
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#6 Nikolay Kerezov

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:40 AM

Good for you for telling the story, and Glad you made it out OK. Border crossings and customs could have made your day a living hell.


It was close call.....
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