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#1 Ramon Engle

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 02:39 PM

Who makes the India Seat and where can I find one?
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#2 RobVanGelder

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 10:06 PM

That´s a new one for me. What is it? :huh:
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#3 bobgilles

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 11:04 PM

I is a operator ridden car mount that fits into the tow reciever of any truck, Van, ect. I made my own, but I think that they are out there still for sale. I think that they are a bit dangerous, but the POV is perfect for car 2 car stuff.
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#4 Frederic Chamberland

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 12:44 PM

Hi there,

I also made mine because I could not find anything already made and it was cheaper to do it by myself.
You can start by getting a seat like a racing seat, here is what I got:
Summit racing
Type part number : SUM-G1100

This seat is cheap, and all plastics, so it can be handled roughly. you can check pictures of my car mount on my web site:
My Webpage
click on "equipment"

This works for me, but as Bob Gilles mentions, I think they are a bit dangerous, you really need a precision driver you can trust before getting on a rig like this.

Cheers,
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#5 Buster Arrieta

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 08:35 PM

You need a Rickshaw-Cam

Dave Grove can help you
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#6 Ramon Engle

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 10:56 PM

You need a Rickshaw-Cam

Dave Grove can help you

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Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Sounds like I may have to fabricate my own. I'll be shooting motorcycles on the road. No stunts just cruising. 24 days or so on Route 66. I just need an effiecient way to get stable running footage.
I know these seats ride a little high from the CG. Where's the safety issue?

Thanks for everyone's input.

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#7 Bill Powers

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Posted 24 March 2005 - 09:58 AM

Ramon,

Frank Rush has, or had, a motorcycle with a a sidecar all rigged up with a hardmount. I know he wanted to sell it a year or two ago. I'm not sure if he did or didn't. His phone number is (205) 980-8629 and his e-mail is frush@tiffen.com.
I seem to remember that it was a Honda Goldwing.

Keep the dirty side down,

Bill
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#8 jay kilroy

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Posted 24 March 2005 - 10:46 PM

The SOA owns a India Mount, which can be made available for rental. The best way to use this mount would be on a pick up truck with the tailgate removed. It is an awesome way to shoot. When done right it is not that dangerous at all. The seat may get a little uncomfortable for a long ride but it is really great. Contact me at jkilroy@steadicam-ops.com. We can discuss rates. Or call me at 215-919-4636.
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#9 TJ Williams

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Posted 25 March 2005 - 12:01 PM

Ramon

I have also built my own mount. I shoot out the back of a van with a lift tailgate door
so I have my seat inside the back of the van with much less projection than the mounts I've seen. My mount projects less than a foot from the hitch receiver. At the point where the hitch receiver mounted square tupe turns up there is a gusset and two foot pegs. The vertical bar is drilled for the steadicam every two inches. It's all made by a trailer hitch fabricator and could probbly pull a truck. The fab guy only charged me a couple of hundred US$ The top of the vertical bar where the steadicam mounts has a telescoping section, with a set bolt, so that a pad atop it holds the tail gate up.

Less projection has two advantages,

1. the operator is less exposed in case of a rear ender by the subject vehicle, or a sudden change of level which could drag some of the mounts on the ground, a structural failure dumps the rig but not the operator.

2. mounting the steadi nearer the rear of the vehicle provides more protection from wind.
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#10 nick franco

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Posted 25 March 2005 - 02:22 PM

Hi TJ, some pictures perhaps?
Thanks, Nick
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#11 TJ Williams

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 01:54 PM

Hi Ramon I just posted some picture under the sled section of the forum under myvan mount title. There is no place to post pictures here. Hope this is helpful
TJ
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#12 Ramon Engle

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 08:43 PM

Hi Ramon I just posted some picture under the sled section of the forum under myvan mount title.  There is no place to post pictures here.  Hope this is helpful
TJ

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Thanks TJ.

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#13 Buster Arrieta

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 06:48 PM

Go to:

http://www.steadicam...ghlite=rickshaw

From David Grove´s post

Well, I'll try to give a little history behind it as well as what it's good for and what it's NOT good for.

This Rickshaw/Vehicle mount was made back in 1997 by a bicycle shop owner by the name of Jack Davis, he's a super nice guy. He is the owner of Irwin's bike shop in Des Moines Iowa.

To make a very long story as short as I possibly can, I asked (I think her name was Kathy) at the SOA to take some snap shots of their rickshaw because I wanted to have my own. I lived in Iowa and well, how many rickshaws are in Iowa not to mention steadicams right?

I took these pictures to Irwin's bike shop in hopes of finding the same style tires that the SOA Rickshaw had. I showed them to Jack, he looked at the pictures and said, "You know, I could probably make this for you." Three weeks later he wheels out my new Rickshaw! A ray of light shined on it when he brought it out! Aaaaahhh. (ok, not really, but it was the same feeling) This wasn't bad considering he did this in his spare time and he was extremely busy time for the bike shop.

Then a steadicam operator overseas asked about having one built but having the ability to pull it behind a vehicle.. (in rickshaw mode) I asked Garrett via email about this and he said it wasn't a good idea.. which I agreed.
Then I took it back to Jack and he suggested making an attachment that fits into the back of a 2 inch square hitch and well, the rest is history.

I told him a looong time ago that there might be great interest in this and he said he might be interested in producing them but he would have to have a lot of orders in order for him to do it. (He has to buy material in bulk.)

I don't know if he would be interested in making any more or if he even remebers me but I'd be willing to get a hold of him and ask him if he would like to make more. Just let me know.

Right now Tom Gleason and his machinist friend are building a dual caster wheel
which will go towards the front of the rickshaw for more stability. I'll keep everyone posted on the mod. Should be pretty awesome when it's finished.


NOW What the rickshaw is Good for and what it isn't good for. (hmm, sounds familiar doesn't it?)

The Rickshaw in, well... Rickshaw mode, is great for really slow moving precise shots. It's great for low mode, child or animal POV. It's great for really fast moving chase scenes. It's also very nice at the end of an 18 hour day when you are just plain exhausted but they still want you to operate steadicam. Like Garrett always says, why wear it if you can mount it?

In Vehicle Mount mode, I've used it for several marathons. It's good to use in a tracking shot, for example somone running down a side walk at a fast rate of speed. It's awesome for low mode. You can kiss the lens on the street if you want and you are doing it COMFORTABLY. I did this tracking shot, Low mode within an inch off the street. Bicycle pedals come into frame, houses in the background are going by, boom/Tilt up to the handle bars... we pull away as I reveal the woman on the bike... ahhhh. what a thing of beauty! Not the woman, the shot. The woman was cute too but.. the shot was just awesome. Still waiting to get that footage. (finger tap tap tap)

The Vehicle mount is good for FLAT surface shooting and at LOW SPEEDs. I've NEVER gone over 30MPH in it. If you are going faster than that YOU SHOULD USE A CAMERA BIKE with a driver that knows what he or she is doing. It's NOT good for off road, uneven terrain.. this is also true for the rickshaw mode. It should be on a FLAT SMOOTH SURFACE.

The vechile mount sits somewhat lose in the hitch. It does move around somewhat when it's NOT under load. However, once a person is in it and the steadicam is attached, it sits solid. I feel very safe in it.

Having said that my Rickshaw/Vehicle Mount is for rent in the LA area for $150/day.

Here are some photos of the rickshaw vehicle mount if you guys just want to make your own... http://www.geocities...ckshawpics.html
Some photos of the Rickshaw in action.. http://www.geocities...colorphoto.html
If either link says it's unavailable that means too many people are accessing the site at the same time. Give it an hour or so and then try to access it again.

If you have any more questions, or would like to take a test drive (bring your own gear and I'll drive) Let me know... I'd be more than happy to show it to you.

Just call or email.
davidgrove@steadicamoperator.com
cell 323-385-3456
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