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#1 daniel hanit

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 03:45 PM

I have an EFP which i keep as minimal as possible at the bottom in order to avoid it bumping in to my knees or having forced to get it far from me in order to switch sides.
Many sleds are not able to do that as they are built with the battery far out from the post.(ultra 1 for instance)
I am interested to hear your thoughts on that subject...
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#2 RonBaldwin

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 08:49 AM

Longer sleds have more pan intertia, which will be smoother (hear of antlers?). It also allows you to get the monitor farther out so one can see it easier. The efp sled is notoriously unbalanceable (dynamic) and is the sled that got George Paddock making mods to improve balance which led to him making the Pro sled which changed everything. I think we'd all still be flying efp's and 3a's if the Pro never came out.

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#3 RonBaldwin

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 08:52 AM

I didn't mean to imply tbat the efp is a bad sled - not at all. But right out of the box it needs a little help to balance properly and feel a bit more like a "big rig"
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#4 daniel hanit

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 12:55 PM

I forgot to mention that i use my mofified EFP only for live TV shows that i do such as THE VOICE and IDOL, which require me to do dutch rolling, whip pan shots, and generally a very different operating than what i do when operating in feature films.(it is dynamicaly balanced with the modification i did)
For films i use my ULTRA 1 sled, which is amazing for slow shots with tele lenses, high and low mode, but horrible for the kind of work i do in live shows.
I believe that Tiffen realized that the giant bottom of the Old Ultra was not a good idea, therefore gone in the following Ultra 2 which allows you to decide if you want more or less inertia in your shots.
Anyway, thanks a lot for your input!
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Posted 25 May 2012 - 05:19 PM

I also do The Voice ( in fact, it all started overhere in the netherlands )So we did a lot of designing the liveshows / battles etc. I would love to see some of the foreign shows. Wich stadium are you guys in now? Blind auditons? Battles? Liveshow?

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#6 RonBaldwin

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 05:24 PM

having those two sleds you certainly notice the difference a bit of inertia makes and know what shots require it. I mainly do episodic tv and an occasional feature here/there, which usually require slow moves with longer lenses -- I rarely if ever switch the rig from one side to the other so I like as long a sled as I can stand (at the bottom) but a short post (which is usually not possible with the Tiffen rigs unless a ton of weight is added to the bottom).
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#7 Rob Vuona SOC

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 05:49 PM

Hi Daniel,
Where do you the Voice and Idol?

I also do Live TV work and have a Modified EFP, but since I redesigned the Phantom•V, specifically for live TV, it is the sled of choice for live TV but it can also accomodate any other kind of operating throughout the genre's. You can tuck up the battery within an inch of what the EFP is or you can extend it out for the slower operating. it can be nice and short or long enough to balance 3-D. I agree the Ultra or the Pro are not the rigs for Live TV.
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Posted 25 May 2012 - 07:14 PM

Hi Daniel,
Where do you the Voice and Idol?

I also do Live TV work and have a Modified EFP, but since I redesigned the Phantom•V, specifically for live TV, it is the sled of choice for live TV but it can also accomodate any other kind of operating throughout the genre's. You can tuck up the battery within an inch of what the EFP is or you can extend it out for the slower operating. it can be nice and short or long enough to balance 3-D. I agree the Ultra or the Pro are not the rigs for Live TV.



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#9 Rob Vuona SOC

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 08:13 PM

Thanks Jens
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#10 daniel hanit

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 11:02 PM

Thanks jens!
The photos of the EFP on my websight are from the old days when o still used the Chrosziel green screen.
Job, we just finished the 1st season of the Voice in israel, we shot all the auditions, battles and live shows on the same studio in jerusalem.
It wasn't a very steadicam friendly set, many stairs, with no place to hide after finishing the shot, so only long shots of entering the stage, 360 degrees and then back to where i started.
And by the way, almost everything started by Hollands John De Mol, isn't it?(-:
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#11 daniel hanit

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 11:09 PM

Rob, your rig looks amazing.
Did you mod it from the original model sold by Tiffen?
What arm do you use with it?
By the way, and off subject, i recently got my own Link L1500 wireless system, and i am very happy with it.
Job, i saw the amazing shots you did with the Handsfree on The Voice, GUTSY!!
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#12 daniel hanit

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 11:20 PM

Ron, regarding the extending of the monitor far outside for more pan inertia, i do that when operating for films to get the pan inertia, however following the advice of a TV operator i admire, Johan Sandklef from Sweden, when doing live shows i have the monitor very close to the sled so i am looking at it straight down.
This allows me to do 360 shots in both directions without worrying about getting my arm bumping into the monitor.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 02:04 AM

Rob, your rig looks amazing.
Did you mod it from the original model sold by Tiffen?
What arm do you use with it?
By the way, and off subject, i recently got my own Link L1500 wireless system, and i am very happy with it.
Job, i saw the amazing shots you did with the Handsfree on The Voice, GUTSY!!

• Yes it was modified from the original Phantom
• I use the Pro Arm and pro vest, waiting for a proptotype from Chris for the Exoskelatal to field test it

If you have your own Link system, (congrats) then you should really have a slick set up like AVS has here in the states with the Sony P-1, Integrated return video as well.
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#14 daniel hanit

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 07:07 AM

Rob,
I use the Link with the Sony pmw-350, both take power from the sled therefore it is a very light weight setup.
What would you say is the cost of your phantom sled including the mods you did?
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#15 JobScholtze

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 07:39 AM

daniel

Yes the battles was crazy on the segway, but also very cool. The speed makes it al very dynamic.
We dont have stairs, we have ramps, specially made for me.

This year ( 3thrd )we get a complete new decor. And i am there from day one to give my input for a good working set for me.
Btw, i fly a mk-v nexus build to my own standards with a pro arm, wich is a dream setup for me.

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