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#1 Sam Morgan Moore

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 03:28 AM

Hello

(posting in the newb section due to being about 'cheap' cameras)

The newer DSLR and other mini cameras like the Nex7 seem only to have (generally mini) HDMI as an output for monitoring

I think this is the case for both the Nikon D800 and Canon5dmk3

My Pilot which I have upgraded with a Transvideo daylight monitor is analogue

Does anyone know of a 'black box' that could take the HDMI signal and output it as analogue ?

Thanks

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#2 Fabrizio Sciarra SOC ACO

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 04:30 AM

Hey Sam, I think the Redbyte Decimator II does HDMI to analogue
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#3 Carl Wiedemann

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 05:00 AM

Sam,
A video converter box that will do this job will likely cost significantly more than a basic HDMI monitor. You may be better off putting an HDMI monitor on your Pilot for DSLR shooting. You can run the HDMI cable off the front of the top of the rig to connect to the monitor below. I've done this with both Pilot and Flyer rigs. Running cables outside the post may be considered "old school", but if you set it up properly it won't interfere with your operating unless you have a need to shoot self-referential shots with the camera pointing back at yourself. The other benefit is that you'll have a high definition image on your monitor via the HDMI.
Regarding the Decimator 2: I believe that it only has HDMI out, not in. So, it wouldn't resolve this particular dilemma.
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#4 Sam Morgan Moore

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 05:42 AM

Hey Sam, I think the Redbyte Decimator II does HDMI to analogue


This ? http://www.decimator...ad/MD_Quad.html

Does it have HDMI in?

Is "(3G/HD/SD)-SDI" the same signal that runs the Pilot?

Sorry very ignorant of such things!

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 05:46 AM

Hey Sam, I think the Redbyte Decimator II does HDMI to analogue


This ? http://www.decimator...ad/MD_Quad.html

Does it have HDMI in?

Is "(3G/HD/SD)-SDI" the same signal that runs the Pilot?

Sorry very ignorant of such things!

S

Sam this should be cheaper and lighter
http://www.bhphotovi..._SD_HD_SDI.html
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#6 Sam Morgan Moore

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 05:57 AM

Sam,
A video converter box that will do this job will likely cost significantly more than a basic HDMI monitor. You may be better off putting an HDMI monitor on your Pilot for DSLR shooting. You can run the HDMI cable off the front of the top of the rig to connect to the monitor below. I've done this with both Pilot and Flyer rigs. Running cables outside the post may be considered "old school", but if you set it up properly it won't interfere with your operating unless you have a need to shoot self-referential shots with the camera pointing back at yourself. The other benefit is that you'll have a high definition image on your monitor via the HDMI.
Regarding the Decimator 2: I believe that it only has HDMI out, not in. So, it wouldn't resolve this particular dilemma.
Carl


Thanks for clarifying the Decimator - as I thought

It is possible to go HDMI - I have a DP6 - a nice monitor but no good in the sun

My transvideo monitor is a proper daylight viewable and expensive unit

Id prefer to stick with that - also I like for speed of set ups to have a dedicated monitor on my Steadicam while using another montior (the DP6) for Sticks and Shoulder shooting

Having HD is (to me) of less value on a steadicam because we either dont focus or focus using preplanned marks and a puller who probably wont be on the monitor - neither system need an HD monitor

Best

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Edited by Sam Morgan Moore, 08 April 2012 - 06:00 AM.

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#7 Carl Wiedemann

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:10 AM

Sam,
I completely understand your concerns. I was directing you to a lower budget option as persons with Pilot rigs are frequently not inclined to make major accessory investments. But at $500 the AJA HA5 (HDMI to SD) may be the way to go if your Transvideo is giving you good daylight visibility.
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#8 Charles Papert

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:16 AM

That AJA won't do it, Fabrizio--that converts to HD-SDI or SD-SDI, which are both digital signals and Sam needs analog. There are a few brands out there that do this, including Atlona and TVOne, neither of which I can vouch for.

Furthermore, one has to look closely at all "mini-converters" which often have reducer power inputs compared to the 14.4 or higher voltage that the Pilot emits--that AJA wants 5v, and many of the Blackmagic boxes like no more than 12v, so you have to use a specific voltage converter or (shudder) additional battery.

You've painted yourself into a bit of a corner here Sam, as you will ideally want to be able to convert EITHER HDMI or HD-SDI to composite depending on the camera and as of now, unless someone can find otherwise, there isn't a simple one size box that does all. You'd be looking at a set of boxes, one to convert the HDMI to SDI and another to downconvert (with an SDI camera you'd just use the second box).

BTW your zip tie gears are working great! Thanks again!
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#9 Sam Morgan Moore

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:16 AM

Sam,
I completely understand your concerns. I was directing you to a lower budget option as persons with Pilot rigs are frequently not inclined to make major accessory investments. But at $500 the AJA HA5 (HDMI to SD) may be the way to go if your Transvideo is giving you good daylight visibility.
Carl


Cool I will check that box out

Fair point about Pilot owners - mine is a kind of extreme version with that monitor and a HoFo - a little big rig

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A point came up on TwitterChat to 'correct' my first post - the Canon 5dmk3 appaerntly has analogue out like the 5d2

The D800 may not - and thats the camera I would prefer to upgrade my 5d2 from - it just got $500 more expensive!

Thanks for the input

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#10 Sam Morgan Moore

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:25 AM

Im assuming the Transvideo monitor is analogue - Id have to look up the model number but its just an SD baby version

From Twitter! dont know about this one either
http://www.hurlbutvi...tim-holtermann/

I think this is my monitor..
5" Rainbow Xtreme SuperBright

http://www.transvide...com/en/node/286



S

Edited by Sam Morgan Moore, 08 April 2012 - 06:29 AM.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:31 AM

The Marshall unit is nice (large for mounting on a rig though) but still won't downconvert to composite...
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#12 Sam Morgan Moore

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:35 AM

The Marshall unit is nice (large for mounting on a rig though) but still won't downconvert to composite...


My FS100 and 5d and EX1 are all good - I might stick to flying them

Here is a link to the connectivity of the 5d3 it says AVout digital from what I can read
http://3.s.img-dprev...ii_4.jpg?v=1441
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#13 Sam Morgan Moore

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:39 AM

http://www.overstock...html?cid=133635 ?
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#14 Charles Papert

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 07:35 AM

Well, component still isn't composite, but it is analog!

How about this one:
http://www.amazon.co.../ref=pd_sim_e_1

price is right, but check for the input voltage.
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#15 Sam Morgan Moore

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 07:44 AM

Well, component still isn't composite, but it is analog!

How about this one:
http://www.amazon.co.../ref=pd_sim_e_1

price is right, but check for the input voltage.


Sorry I dont know the diff between composite and analogue (I dont even own a TV and dont have a background in video cams)

Ill check that - the price is indeed right and the mass/size

http://www.amazon.co...E067MPDN4NJDQP1

You can see a dc 5vin

THanks

S

Edited by Sam Morgan Moore, 08 April 2012 - 07:47 AM.

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