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#1 Erwin Landau

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Posted 29 January 2004 - 03:26 AM

Hi Guys,

I'm working on this HD feature and the "Is the Camera rolling" and "Oh S**t, we didn't roll on the last one" are driving me nuts.

I would like to be able to remotely run the camera, and the best way to plug into the camera would be the 12 pin Hirose on the Camera were usually the lens plugs in. Right?

So my question is:

- What are the pin outs on the Camera?
- Are the connectors/pin configurations the same on the Sony as well as the Panasonic and the PanaSony?
- Is the "Hirose male HR10A 10P 12P" the right connector?

Thanks Guys.
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#2 Brad Hruboska

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Posted 29 January 2004 - 09:07 AM

Sadly the pinouts for run start are different on the Fugi, the Cannon, on into the Camera body itself. Preston makes all three, and yes its a pain in the butt, but with preston it gives you a remote control on the EFP style zoom handgrip....
All Hirose, all the same number of pins none interchangable, isn't video a great thing? p.s. soldering Hiroses is a huge pain, make sure you shrink wrap every pint, everything is really tight in that connector....
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#3 Jeff Muhlstock SOC

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Posted 29 January 2004 - 09:31 AM

Erwin, remote camera run configs in video are not worth the trouble. I assume you will be working with a sony F900? Many of the zoom rigs, J-7 or stanton's handle zoom control, have a camera run button built in. These controls typically connect to the zoom lens, not the camera. So if you have one of these contraptions (and you should for HD/video work) you can zoom and start tape roll all from your yoke hand. Just be sure that big red light goes on when you start shooting not when you stop ;) Of course, if you are using primes, another story. Then that 12 pin HRS connector free's up. I have not seen a breakout cable that would do what you ask, Im sure its possible, but you clearly would need a different cable for every different camera. This kind of product would be nice, sounds like a Jim B project.

good luck,
Jeff (still reaches up to the camera to start it) Muhlstock
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#4 RobVanGelder

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Posted 29 January 2004 - 09:51 AM

Hello Erwin, do you have an focus puller next to you?.
If so, you should, in my opinion, make VERY clear that HE is the one responsible and you will kick his butt when he forgets.
Also, there is no excuse for not watching at the tally lights immedately after turning over.
I have even made it a habit to look into the viewfinder monitor before turning over, as I discovered that it was very easy to overlook certain switches that might have been flipped when the grip walks the rig back to the first position (example).
Suddenly you end up with +18DB or such.
And a few extra seconds of videotape doesn´t count.

It´s the same as working with celluloid, the operator is only turning over when that is agreed in certain situations, like filming babies or animals.

When you want to be responsible for turning over you might end up wih more discussions than you wished.

Of course, in a one-man situation it´s all up to you.

Rob van Gelder, Bangkok, Thailand
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#5 Alec Jarnagin SOC

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Posted 29 January 2004 - 10:49 AM

I, too, have always been too lazy to get remote cables made, but I don't feel as bad knowing that Jeff is doing the same thing. With ENG style lenses (servos built in) it is so easy to start the camera yourself because there is the convenient button on the lens, assuming you operate non-goofy foot. With Cine lenses and primes becoming more popular though, I've thought about getting start/stop cables made though, as now the port is freed up on the camera and it becomes a pain to start the camera. Way too east to hit the white balance or black balance on the front of the camera while searching for the run button located there.
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#6 Erwin Landau

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Posted 29 January 2004 - 05:50 PM

Okay guys...

To clearify:

We are shooting FILM style with an HD 24P Sony F900. The protocol is film style, no cable to the camera, and using a DAT for sound.

(I shoot 95% on film of that beeing 85% 35mm. And of the last 5% most are HD. So... I don't own any video gear including J-7 or any other Gimbal based focusing/control units and I don't want to... because I never use it. And I don't want to get into Video at all.
The first time I worked on a Video show my Monitor got fried and the last time I helped out an operator was on the Sharon Osborne Show and I got screwed by the company as well as by the Operator... Not a fan of the "Video Job mentality"... no offense, just does not work for me... )

We are using Cinestyle Lenses (Primes, HD Primes as well as Zooms) that are equipt with 32/0.8 pitch Lens gears. So no Video lenses used and the 12 Pin Hirose is free to be used for run/stop...

I know that the Fuji Lens takes a 12 Pin Hirose for start and stop and Zoom etc. and that the Canon Lens takes an 8 pin Canon... does not apply here.

We have the regular set up with 1st and 2nd AC... but we had 4 different AC in the last 2 weeks, so every time we have to start from scratch with how to go about the rolling the camera protocol. Actually all of them assumed from the get go that I had a run cable for my Preston and also first pushed the run on the hand unit before realizing that they had to push the button on the Camera.

I tried it but after a couple of time white and black balancing the camera, once even pushed the assigned Memory button (as the roll button is well hiden and with all that support bracketry that helds the Lens fron ripping the front of the Camera, not accessable), just seconds before rolling, the DP got frustrated to say the least...
They want a set frame before the slate comes in and hate when I have to swing the camera around to start.... (The right of the Video Village, as the pay you, I guess.)

So again:
- Which pin on that 12 Pin Hirose is used for start/stop and which one for ground?
- Are the same pins used on all cameras as the lenses are interchangable between all or most model cameras (All Cameras that I checked had a 12 Pin Hirose on the Body), if not with pins can be combined to make a single run cable for all HD Cameras.

Thanks for your help guys.

Erwin"HD Pain... starting to become hell"Landau
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#7 Mitch Gross

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Posted 29 January 2004 - 10:32 PM

12-pin lens connection standard (aplies to all cameras):

1 RET switch
2 VTR trigger
3 GND
4 Lens Auto/Manual control
5 Iris control
6 +12vdc
7 Iris position
8 Iris A/R input
9 Extender (doubler) position
10 Zoom position
11 ---
12 ---


Actually, I'm not sure on 11 & 12. I believe on 16:9 cameras at least one is used for aspect position. Anyway, I think you're looking for pins 2 & 3.
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#8 SergeiFranklin

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Posted 30 January 2004 - 12:08 AM

I have 2 cables for start/stop
One cable is for connecting to the camera(with cine style lenses) connecting pin 2 and pin 3 from 12 pin Hirose to remote focus.
Another cable for connection to a video style lens using pin 9 and 10. ( these 2 pins are the same on Fuji and Canon, the other pins relating to zoom are different between manufacturers)
You want a momentary trigger to start / stop.
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#9 Erwin Landau

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Posted 30 January 2004 - 04:17 AM

Thanks Guys,

That's what I was looking for...

Peace
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#10 charlesneufeld

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Posted 30 January 2004 - 12:17 PM

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#11 AmirEsmann

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Posted 26 August 2006 - 12:12 AM

12-pin lens connection standard (aplies to all cameras):

1 RET switch
2 VTR trigger
3 GND
4 Lens Auto/Manual control
5 Iris control
6 +12vdc
7 Iris position
8 Iris A/R input
9 Extender (doubler) position
10 Zoom position
11 ---
12 ---


Actually, I'm not sure on 11 & 12. I believe on 16:9 cameras at least one is used for aspect position. Anyway, I think you're looking for pins 2 & 3.


Hi
Found your post on the 12 pin hirose
looking for some solution to connect a remote Focus on my Pegasus Fujinon optic to take use of the focus motor .
Du some one know the pins for the 12 pin hirose on the Pegasus Fujinon Optik.
IT must be same as the Zoom Control.
Thanks a lot
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#12 Sherwin Winick

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:19 AM

???? In need of schematic for Stanton fuji/canon (switchable) hand control. ????
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#13 Osvaldo Silvera SOC

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:54 PM

Take a look at the Stanton website under steadicam and then the pdf manual for their control has all the pin outs.

PS, They are now making and selling their zoom focus controls again.
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