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#1 John Mehrer

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 03:32 PM

Howdy all!

Been lurking no the site for a while and just signed up.

I am taking a class at Tiffen next week and if I really enjoy it I plan on buying a rig.

What I am currently considering is an Actioncam Red Edition. I have found a couple used rigs in great condition that are around the $10,000 range.
I have seen mixed reviews on the Actioncam but Owners and former owners have for the most part good things to say about it.

Also looking to pick up a remote FF and then buy rest of the things I need as I get more cash.

Thanks for the help guys and I look forward to being a member of the forum.

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#2 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 04:26 PM

What I am currently considering is an Actioncam Red Edition. I have found a couple used rigs in great condition that are around the $10,000 range.
I have seen mixed reviews on the Actioncam but Owners and former owners have for the most part good things to say about it.



Of course the owners have good things to say about the rigs, it's in their best interest to.

Look around there are better rigs to buy.
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#3 John Mehrer

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 06:36 PM

What would you recommend? I need something that can support RED MX.

Perhaps something like a Scout or Flyer.

Edited by William Mehrer, 28 October 2011 - 06:41 PM.

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 06:53 PM

What would you recommend? I need something that can support RED MX.

Perhaps something like a Scout or Flyer.

or zephyr?
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Posted 28 October 2011 - 08:02 PM

Scout no chance, flyer if you took off literally everything you might get away with it, but it would be a real struggle, not recommended, zephyr should be the minimum weight capacity rig that you need to look at to handle a Red MX.
Nice Second Hand rigs come up for sale now and again, keep an eye out and you might find a bargain, I wouldn't go brand new for your first rig as you won't get much weight capacity for your cash.
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#6 Mark Schlicher

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 08:05 PM

Zephyr is the minimum I'd put a Red MX on. Even with a Zephyr it's easy to tip over the weight limit, depending on lens and accessories.
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#7 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 09:03 PM

First off don't rush out to buy a rig. Secondly remember that at a Tiffen course you will be told that the tiffen rigs are the best. Look around in your market (You're LA correct?) and then ask why those rigs are being used. third, the used market is your friend. I'd be looking for a used PRO sine you can fly ANYTHING with it

Like I say. Don't let your equipment limit you
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Posted 28 October 2011 - 10:58 PM

First off don't rush out to buy a rig. Secondly remember that at a Tiffen course you will be told that the tiffen rigs are the best. Look around in your market (You're LA correct?) and then ask why those rigs are being used. third, the used market is your friend. I'd be looking for a used PRO sine you can fly ANYTHING with it

Like I say. Don't let your equipment limit you

what is the PRO?
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#9 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 11:01 PM

First off don't rush out to buy a rig. Secondly remember that at a Tiffen course you will be told that the tiffen rigs are the best. Look around in your market (You're LA correct?) and then ask why those rigs are being used. third, the used market is your friend. I'd be looking for a used PRO sine you can fly ANYTHING with it

Like I say. Don't let your equipment limit you

what is the PRO?



If you have to ask that question you are not ready to buy a rig. Do a forum search, do a google search also look at XCS Ultimate
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#10 Jessica Lopez

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 12:52 AM

Very true Eric. Will, you should definitely do your research. You should be thinking of what kind of investment are you willing to make and how it will benefit you.
Steadicam will require a lot of time and dedication in your life. What kind of productions do you want to work on? How heavy of equipment are you working with?
What kind of jobs are you getting now? Will your investment be returned?

Steadicam is by no means easy. You will be challenged mentally, physically, and financially (all at the same time). Not just in operating but in the job market as well.
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#11 Brian Freesh

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 02:16 AM

Just to clarify, Red has released MX chips in 2 cameras, and the sensor is not important when discussing Steadicam. The weight of the camera is, and the Epic weighs less than the One. A Scout can probably fly a stripped Red Epic with ease, while a stripped Red One would be pretty much body and lightweight lens only. That's without considering how to power the camera.

These distinctions and limitations are also why you should probably be looking at rigs that won't get in your way of rigging the camera, such as the aforementioned Pro, XCS, etc...
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#12 James Davis

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 04:50 AM

No one was talking about the sensor types....most people know exactly what the Red MX is and if not it only takes about 10 seconds on google to figure it out.
Forgetting about cameras for a minute though William and talking about all the support kit you will have to run with the camera on a most jobs...
You need to remember that in addition to the camera you will also need to power and allow for the weight of the following on your rig:

Wireless Follow Focus
Wireless Video Link
Downconverter
Matte box
Bridge plate/rails etc

You also might want to be prepared for those days when they for whatever reason want to shoot on drives instead, because that instantly adds quite a bit more weight to the camera, even more so if they are using the original battery/drive cradle.
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Posted 29 October 2011 - 05:08 AM

No one was talking about the sensor types....most people know exactly what the Red MX is and if not it only takes about 10 seconds on google to figure it out.
Forgetting about cameras for a minute though William and talking about all the support kit you will have to run with the camera on a most jobs...
You need to remember that in addition to the camera you will also need to power and allow for the weight of the following on your rig:

Wireless Follow Focus
Wireless Video Link
Downconverter
Matte box
Bridge plate/rails etc

You also might want to be prepared for those days when they for whatever reason want to shoot on drives instead, because that instantly adds quite a bit more weight to the camera, even more so if they are using the original battery/drive cradle.


One thing I forgot to add is independently of any "Red specific" advice, you also have to take into account other accessories that may get added on too, such as small monitors with noga arms for the focus pullers, external recorder boxes, a cinetape etc etc
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#14 Brian Freesh

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 08:25 AM

No one was talking about the sensor types....most people know exactly what the Red MX is.


I disagree. From what i've seen, most people think it is a camera. It is a line of sensors, of which there are 2. Red One and Red Epic are cameras. To say Red MX will work on a particular steadicam is to say two cameras will work but only if they have MX sensors in them. Of course the Red One with or without an MX weighs the same, and an Epic weighs less.
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#15 James Davis

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 10:00 AM

No one was talking about the sensor types....most people know exactly what the Red MX is.


I disagree. From what i've seen, most people think it is a camera. It is a line of sensors, of which there are 2. Red One and Red Epic are cameras. To say Red MX will work on a particular steadicam is to say two cameras will work but only if they have MX sensors in them. Of course the Red One with or without an MX weighs the same, and an Epic weighs less.


Frankly..... only an international survey by an independent party would prove either one of us right or wrong as to whether there are people in the world who comprehend what a Red One is but do not understand what the phrase "Red MX" refers to, so i'm happy to agree to disagree.
If you want to spend your day battling out semantics regarding slang terms for a camera that is used day in day out in the industry then go for it.

I mean if you wanted to be really pedantic the full name for the most recently upgraded version would be the "Red One Mysterium-x", so in effect we are actually both incorrect....
But that would potentially drag this pointless discussion on even further and make it become even less relevant to Steadicam.
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