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#1 john radzik

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 02:20 PM

I 've been trying to sell a bartech !! with some offers from other operators
and others ( used cine brokers) that try to buy your stuff on the cheap !!
with things like i'll send you a check for $7000 you cash it take 3000
for the shipper, etc. etc. Just way to complex for me to deal with AND
wonder if anybody has been scammed from something like tis before?

I find this very annoying !! What happened to the days of two operators
working a deal that is works for everyone-!!

This broker Mr.-Paul is boring me!!!

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#2 Frederic Chamberland

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 03:45 PM

Hi there,

As soon they offer you more money for you to send back some of it, it is a SCAM.
One thing you will learn very quickly about dealing on the internet , is that when a deal is too good, there is something wrong... Be very suspicious. I don't know if some members here have been scammed by such "deals" .... Hopefully not.

Hope that helps,

Fly safe.
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#3 bobgilles

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 05:58 PM

Hey John, are you still selling your Bartech?, any motors?

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#4 john radzik

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Posted 06 February 2005 - 02:05 AM

Well just got back from the steadi cam gathering !!

As said ( it was told to me that this is a scam & fellow OPS. have been burned)

I know i felt that if they won't pay cash or wire the funds than it is not worth it!!

PS.
Yes, i do have a motor for sale !!
but we will talk later about .

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#5 David George Ellis

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Posted 08 February 2005 - 01:57 PM

This broker Mr.-Paul is boring me!!!

John Radzik

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This is the correspondence "Mr. Paul Smith" has sent me:

Hello,
  i saw your web page - Paddling http://www.steadicam-ops.com i want you to give me the following detailes about the Category
 
1. It present  condition
2. a brief history, if there is any
3. your last offer
4.picture of the adds if there is any
i await an urgent response.
Regards
Paul


He then followed up after I nibbled on the bait:

Goodday David George Ellis ,
  Thanks for your Mailing About the Sales,Well i have just  contact my Client who will be sending you the Canadan Check he said he   have contact the Shipping Company that will be coming for the Pick   up.I told him to send you cash i know that will be easy for you to   have the fund he said he was Out of Cash now that is why he will be sending Check.So about the Shipper's said they will have to Pay for  the Tax and since you said the Amount of the(Upgraded ) is $4500   with the tax i will be Paying you the $4500 with the tax i dont want   any daley for the Shipping Company when they get to you.So my Client  will be make a check of $7,000 out with your Name,When you have got  the check and cash it you will have yoour selling Price and the $3000  to the Shipper's that will be coming for the Pick up i will send you   the Name and Address where you will send ! the fund to and company will  take a good care of the goods and i know i will !  ! get it safely.I  will need this information to Make the Payment out.
 
Name you want on the Check
 
Address where you want the check to be send to...
Your contact phone Home Work and cell.
 
With all this information payment will be made Out asap,                  
Thanks Again for your Mail.Hope to hear back from you Once Again
asap.
  Paul!

Sound Familiar, John? Bastards are out there indeed. We all now know this is not how it works in this sector of the industry. So pissed I wasted my time sending pics and getting my hopes up. I saw an archived posting of this happening b4 and got such a strong scent of BS, I damn near threw out my laptop. Well, not really throw, but wanted to reach into cyberspace and "FUCK SHIT UP." Good luck selling and caveats all around.

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#6 LeighWanstead

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Posted 08 February 2005 - 04:52 PM

Hi David,

Interesting

If you cash the check first in your bank before you send the shipping company your rig and $3000, how will this game work?

Regards
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#7 JimBartell

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Posted 08 February 2005 - 07:29 PM

Hi David,

Interesting

If you cash the check first in your bank before you send the shipping company your rig and $3000, how will this game work?

Regards
Leigh

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Simple, Leigh, the check is a fake. It looks like a valid cashiers check and has enough correct info on it to take several days to bounce back. Your bank will even indicate it cleared. Then they find out it's a phony and deduct the deposit from your account. By that time the crooks have your money and gear and are gone with the wind. They tried to buy a BFD from me late last year with a similar scam.

My wife recently came across a new one. She is an attorney and was contacted by a "14 year old boy" in England who claimed his father had just died and left him a sizable inheritance but he couldn't collect it because he was afraid his abusive drug addict step mother would find out about it and steal it all. So he was contacting attorneys around the world (my wife has a web site) looking for one to help him get the inheritance without his evil stepmother finding out. Turns out it was an identity theft scam. They wanted her to e-mail all her personal and banking info so they could "release the funds to her" so she could hold the money for the kid.

Bastards.

Jim "digital rat smeller" Bartell
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#8 LeighWanstead

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Posted 08 February 2005 - 08:18 PM

Hi David,

Interesting

If you cash the check first in your bank before you send the shipping company your rig and $3000, how will this game work?

Regards
Leigh

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Simple, Leigh, the check is a fake. It looks like a valid cashiers check and has enough correct info on it to take several days to bounce back. Your bank will even indicate it cleared. Then they find out it's a phony and deduct the deposit from your account. By that time the crooks have your money and gear and are gone with the wind. They tried to buy a BFD from me late last year with a similar scam.

My wife recently came across a new one. She is an attorney and was contacted by a "14 year old boy" in England who claimed his father had just died and left him a sizable inheritance but he couldn't collect it because he was afraid his abusive drug addict step mother would find out about it and steal it all. So he was contacting attorneys around the world (my wife has a web site) looking for one to help him get the inheritance without his evil stepmother finding out. Turns out it was an identity theft scam. They wanted her to e-mail all her personal and banking info so they could "release the funds to her" so she could hold the money for the kid.

Bastards.

Jim "digital rat smeller" Bartell

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Hi Jim,

Thanks for the detail answer.

How to prevent this kind of thing? Insist to do bank wire transfer first, until the money in my bank account safely then give the rig?

TIA
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#9 JimBartell

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Posted 08 February 2005 - 09:29 PM

I think you can safely assume anyone who wants to send you a check for an amount greater than what you want and wants you to send a check for the balance elsewhere is trying to con you.

Also, wire transfers are safe since they have to provide the funds to the bank before the transfer takes place. But what I said above still applies.

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#10 john radzik

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Posted 10 February 2005 - 09:41 PM

this is an email with what they say , and if it sounds to good to be true <GUESS WHAT>
I feel as this is being talked about more operators can see how to protect themselves
from this growing scam!!

I had two different emails the the same type of sales pitch trying to get me !!

Well guys !! (watch out)

(READ EMAIL)
(  Thanks for your Mailing About the Sales,Well i have just contact my Client who will be sending you the USA check he said he have contact the Shipping Company that will be coming for the Pick up.I told him to send you cash i know that will be easy for you to have the fund he said he was Out of Cash now that is why he will be sending Cheque.So about the Shipper's said they will have to Pay for the Tax and since you said the Amount of the(Magnificent Grand piano) was $4000 with the tax i will be Paying you the $4000 with the tax i dont want any daley for the Shipping Company when they get to you.So my Client will be make a cheque of $7,000 out with your Name,When you have got the check and cash it you will have yoour selling Price and the $3000 to the Shipper's that will be coming for the Pick! up i will send you the Name and Address where you will send the fund to and company will take a good care of the goods and i know i will ! get it safely.I will need this information to Make the Payment out.

 

Name you want on the Check 
Address where you want the check to be send to...
Your contact phone Home Work and cell.

With all thisinformation payment will be made Out asap i hope to understand me better,
Thanks Again for your Mail.Hope to hear back from you asap.
Mr Paul!......................................)
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 11:59 AM

Hey---

"Eric McNaughton" tried the exact same scam on me when I posted my vest for sale.

E-mail the ISP of scammer--- I did. The are SUPPOSED to stop fraud.

Good luck,
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#12 David George Ellis

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Posted 12 February 2005 - 03:11 AM

Simple, Leigh, the check is a fake.  It looks like a valid cashiers check and has enough correct info on it to take several days to bounce back.  Your bank will even indicate it cleared.  Then they find out it's a phony and deduct the deposit from your account.

Jim "digital rat smeller" Bartell

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Hey Leigh,

That's exactly how it works. I would have gotten back to you sooner but been busy as a beaver. I just want to expand a little or a lot right now. I used to work at the Dime Savings Bank, Now Washington Mutual in NY and would get complaints about bounced checks and have to dig up what happened and as it turns out, there would be monies deducted from the account and the owner claims that he or she did not authorize the check be cashed.

But wait a minute, aren't checks traceable to the owner? Yes, but if someone has certain vital information like addresses, passwords or pedigree information ie, date of birth, father's first name, mother's maiden, etc., thery are now able to order checks on your behalf. Hold on again. Won't the checks be sent to the address on file with customer services? Yes, but if they have your pedigree information, they are now able to change addresses and have checks mailed to a different address like an office where sometimes the letter carrier doesn't look to verify the recipient of said checks.

He or she may ask for a signature, but in these cases of fraud, it may be hard to detect whom it was that signed for the checks unless Loss and Damage conducts a full on investigation where the letter carrier was brought into the office to be identify the one who signed for the checks. Usually, the bank doesn't want to go through with all of that. They will just give you a provisional credit, close your account and open a new one.

Your identity theft could also be an inside job as well. Don't forget, ganstas work at the bank, too. I've seen so many people get the "supervised" walk out at the call center I used to work at because they thought they found a way around the system. But as always, it's almost impossible to fool the system. ALMOST. Some people risk their freedom to make a buck at your expense and hassle, but to them, it's an "I've got nothing, let me try to get something or die trying" risk. It always starts at the gatekeeeper position and works its way deeper. Front desk all the way to the back of the office.

It's not just you, the customer that can get screwed. I have seen co-workers cannibalize themselves to get the latest Tommy Hilfiger gear. they type a name, find the SSN, go into another system and get their check card #, and charge, charge, charge. If they will do it to people they see everyday, whose to say they won't do it to you?

Seems pretty long winded to explain what they do, but look at what we do. It's complicated to those who don't understand what we do. And these sons of bitches have eight hours a day to plan the next great heist. Sorry to take so much time, but the moral of all this is PLEASE do not give anyone any information that you know can be used to bone you. And be nice to your customer service representative.

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Posted 12 February 2005 - 04:13 PM

This is what i get in the mail several times a week. I really don't understand people falling for this.






From:Christy Milan
24 RUE DU ABOBO 24
ABIDJAN IVORY COAST.

Dear One,

Dear please reply to my private mail
Good a thing to write you. I have a proposal for
you-this however is not mandatory nor will I in any
manner compel you to honour against your will.

I prayed and fasted very hard before i write you this mail, I am Miss Christy Milan 24 YRS OLD, the only child of my late parents King Echampang Milan my father was a highly reputable business magnet (a cocoa merchant) who operated through out West Africa during his days.

It is sad to say that he he was assisnated during this civil war in my country by unkwon group of rebels.

Though his sudden death was linked or rather suspected to have been masterminded by an uncle of his , but God knows.
My mother died when I was just 4 years old, and since then my father never hide anything from me.

Before his his death that lead to my misfortune he called me,and told me that he has the sum of Eight million, United State Dollars.(USD$8.000,000)deposited in one of the security company's here in Abidjan Ivory coast West Africa, which he disguised and declared the box to contain family valuables instead of money, by this way the company does not know the true content of the box.

The deposit document which I have in my possession
carries my late father's name as the depositor, while I'm the next of kin on the same document.

I am just a student university undergraduate and
really don't know what to do. This is because I have
suffered a lot of set backs as a result of incessant
political crisis and war here in Ivory coast.

The death of my father actually brought sorrow to my
life.I am in a sincere desire of your humble
assistance in this regards. Your suggestions and ideas
will be highly regarded.

Now permit me to ask these few questions:-
1. Can you honestly help me ?
2. Can I completely trust you?
3. What percentage of the total amount in question
will be good for you after the money is in your
account?

Please Kindly consider this and get back to me as soon as possible.
Thanks.
Yours Christy


GETTING REALLY TIRED FROM THIS KIND OF SCAMMING
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#14 LeighWanstead

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Posted 12 February 2005 - 06:15 PM

Hi Job Scholtze,

I don't get these sorts of paper mail, but I do get by lots of these email sent to my hotmail address on daily basis. It seems email is far cheaper than paper mail to send.

Here is what I do.

I first check sender and receiver email address, if I don't know them, then check the title and first two lines of the email, if it is so generic :D , the email will go to my rubbish bin, plus I report to hotmail as spam email. I am not exactly sure if Microsoft will put any effort to do anything. It will cost me around 30 seconds and waste my time.

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 07:59 AM

We also have received numerous scam emails and on this occasion we decided to experiment. Note: we asked for their phone number more than once but it was never forthcoming. Obviously, someone is receiving hundreds of incoming emails and just pressing a button to send out a form letter response. Judging by the sentence structure, I suspect they are somewhere in Asia.

Read on...
1) To us:
> > Hello,we(JUST EQUIPMENT CO.) saw your ad., and we have an intrested
> client for your( Steadicam Modell IIIA Arm )and is placing an offer of($6,700 )
> please,acknowledge our offer,or indicate your last asking price. Thanks. Mgt.
> >
2) From us:>
> admin wrote:
> Melbourne Australia,
>
> Good evening Eric,
>
> Thankyou for your email enquiry. We would be happy to discuss this and
other
> arms we have for sale. If you would be so kind as to leave your phone
number either Hugo or myself will contact you to discuss this matter.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Dean A. Merlo
> Rig Engineering Australia Pty Ltd
> +61 3 9898 6298

> 3) To us:
> Hello ,
>
> Thanks for acknowledging our offer, accept my apologies for the delayed
response, my client placed an offer on your arm after duely considering your
arm's description however,he requested that you should provide pictures
showing the various views of your arm including front,back,sides. Also, he
requested that you confirm if the description of your arm is still the same as
indicated in your ad., or, you should indicate any depreciation of any sort if any.
Lastly do give us an update of the present performance condition of the arm so
that we can able to ascertain the present condition of the arm and
consequently proceed with transaction while he conclude with his company
regarding to the purchase of your arm.
> We will proceed with transaction as soon as all the above requirements are
met. Hope to hear from you soon.
>
> Regards
>
> Eric Macoughlan
> Sales/Purchase Officer

> 4) From us:admin <admin@steadyrig.com> wrote:
Hello Eric,

Thankyou for your email.
If you would leave your phone number, we would be happy
to contact you in person.

Kind regards,
Rig Engineering Australia

5) To us:
Hello ,

Thanks for your mail with pics and update, my client was highly impressed and delighted with the present body condition of your Arm. Also, thanks for your patience, i have been waiting for my customer to finalize with his company as earlier stated in my previous mail,however, i'm happy to tell you that we have concluded with our client and he has instructed that we carry on with the transaction, and also inform you that payment will get to you in a cashier check of ($ 11,565 ) which is a refund payment of a cancelled order earlier made by my client(which explains why you were required to provide pictures showing the various views of your Arm so as to avoid earlier made mistakes). Due to company policy this check has to be made out in this amount to you,because company policy only allows a refund payment on one cashier check,so you are required to deduct cost of your Arm ($ 6,700) when payment gets to you and make a refund of the balance of($ 4,865) to my customer via western union money transfer or money gram transfer for him to be able to offset shipping charges.After payment has reached you and balance sent back to him,our agent will come for the pick up and drive to our company's shipping agent to be shipped to my customer,while title papers and other necessary documents will be sent by you via fedex courier to my customer. Please Confirm this and provide name,address and current phone number, for check payment to be delivered to you via courier service.

Thanks and have pleasant day. Management

Eric



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