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#1 Kevin Andrews SOC

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 09:24 PM

Found this today on Glidecam's facebook page.

The op goes through some interesting terrain and transitions towards the end.

Definitely shows the versatility of the handheld rigs when used properly I think.



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#2 Charles Papert

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 12:52 AM

Pretty cool and the guy is clearly an athelete--but I'm sensing post stabilization in use. in the lockoff at :43 you can see some warping in the image.
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Posted 21 October 2011 - 12:56 AM

Pretty cool and the guy is clearly an athelete--but I'm sensing post stabilization in use. in the lockoff at :43 you can see some warping in the image.



Also looks like some gyro caging a few times
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#4 Ryan Rodinis

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 10:12 AM

the only shot that boggles me is the running shot with the three guys towards the end. you don't see much shock absorption from his running. running that fast with that thing is tough, I've done it. he's good.
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#5 Janice Arthur

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 04:31 PM

My first impression is that its sped up, in parts. How can he run that fast with only one arm, free?

I can't believe anyone is that good all by themselves. I have to believe its got some post done to it. Gyros, too?

"Untreated" I bet its really really good but with whatever was done or aided him its pretty darn amazing.

Hats off to the op.
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#6 Kevin Andrews SOC

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 08:18 PM

Pretty cool and the guy is clearly an athelete--but I'm sensing post stabilization in use. in the lockoff at :43 you can see some warping in the image.



I think you're right Charles, I am seeing some warping in certain scenes too. Still makes me want to dust off my old 2000pro for danger-cam type shots.
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#7 Brian Freesh

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 10:45 PM

My first impression is that its sped up, in parts. How can he run that fast with only one arm, free?

I can't believe anyone is that good all by themselves. I have to believe its got some post done to it. Gyros, too?

"Untreated" I bet its really really good but with whatever was done or aided him its pretty darn amazing.

Hats off to the op.



Theoretically he's got no arms free! one hand holding the rig with the gimble, and one hand operating the post. I can't imagine anyone put gyros on that thing, for expense and weight. I do think the post stabilizing must have been done to the whole thing.

All in all, great results for whatever they did to achieve the final product. I'd be interested to see what they could do with more shot design.
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Posted 21 October 2011 - 11:48 PM

Also looks like some gyro caging a few times


Can you please explain the term "gyro caging"? Where in the video was this? Thanks.
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#9 Wolfgang Troescher

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 03:52 AM



Also looks like some gyro caging a few times


Can you please explain the term "gyro caging"? Where in the video was this? Thanks.


Perhaps he means the operator used Kenyon Gyros for stabilizaton. But I canĀ“t imagine you can use this on a Glidecam 2000.

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#10 Janice Arthur

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 10:01 AM

Brian;

Isnt this one of those handheld rigs, no vest no arm? So yes he has one arm free is my assumption.

Also even with a vest and arm, you start with both hands as you describe it but when you get up to speed on a run you let go with the arm hand and use it as an outrigger to stablize yourself as you run.

It would be impossible to run at any speed with both arms/hands on the rig.

That's what my world always understood.

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#11 Kevin Andrews SOC

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 04:18 PM

Brian;

Isnt this one of those handheld rigs, no vest no arm? So yes he has one arm free is my assumption.

Also even with a vest and arm, you start with both hands as you describe it but when you get up to speed on a run you let go with the arm hand and use it as an outrigger to stablize yourself as you run.

It would be impossible to run at any speed with both arms/hands on the rig.

That's what my world always understood.

JA


Normally true.

The handheld glidecams use the two hands at all times method. There's no way to control the shot even a little if you run with one hand. It would be like running in a full rig while only holding the arm instead of the post.

You can see the "so cool" models holding their system at this link. Side note, Glidecam has the worst website and product shots ever. Looks like a third world located company. Wait, third world companies have nicer websites.

http://www.glidecam....t-hd-series.php
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#12 Janice Arthur

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 07:45 PM

kevin;

thanks for the info.

I still content you can't run, at that speed using two hands on the Steadicam.

I still think the operator used just one hand on the post.

Unless I missed some pictures somewhere that's my thought.

I did forget about the "handle" part of that rig designed for the operator to lift the rig. I don't think you can use that and the post hand with that kind of speed of running.

Maybe it goes back to my other thought is that the speed was ramped and he didn't run that fast but maybe the actors would give that away.

It is nicely done.
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#13 Wolfgang Troescher

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 03:54 AM

Hi Janice, hi Kevin,

I understand both of you: Before I changed to Steadicam, I used a Glidecam 4000Pro, at first without arm and vest. I think it´s not possible to run without using a hand on the gimbal, because just after a few meters the camera panned away in any direction. On the other hand, I think it´s very difficult to run so fast with two hands on the glidecam. And I don´t think the operator used any kind of antler to stabilize the rig. However, why not asking the "master" himself. I asked him on his Youtube channel. Perhaps he gives us an answer.

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#14 Wolfgang Troescher

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 05:02 AM

Hi Janice, hi Kevin,

I understand both of you: Before I changed to Steadicam, I used a Glidecam 4000Pro, at first without arm and vest. I think it´s not possible to run without using a hand on the gimbal, because just after a few meters the camera panned away in any direction. On the other hand, I think it´s very difficult to run so fast with two hands on the glidecam. And I don´t think the operator used any kind of antler to stabilize the rig. However, why not asking the "master" himself. I asked him on his Youtube channel. Perhaps he gives us an answer.

Wolfgang


OK, he answered already: "When I follow someone on the back like 0:31, 0:57, and 1:01 always i hold glidecam in one hand. I use both when i want to change the direction like first scene or i walk around." We were all right ;-)

In another post he mentioned he didn´t use any kind of software stabilization.
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#15 Erik Brul

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 07:03 AM

Well, you can guess and comment what you want, i have seen some remarkable shots done by this little so basic stabilizer things..
There are some ops who have done amazing (slow)creepy shots and fast shots during Weddings with a Glidecam 2000/4000 and what to think about those videos with high speed skateboarding shots.. and these ops wear skates themselfs :)

These guys just shows us what is possible with lowcost but good stuff.. if it is 'always safe' well.... ;)

Just mho
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