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#1 David M. Aronson

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 01:26 AM

So I've decided that I want to mount my Camwave to the bottom of my sled but there isn't an output on the Flyer LE Sled. Is there a way to run a cable down the post and upgrade the D-box on it?
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#2 Aaron Foley

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 03:50 AM

Hey David,
Other than running the cable from the one lemo port up top you've got a couple of options down there, firstly the battery wiring is easily accessible.
You could either tack into it or simpler still swap your battery plates over for a plate with d-tap.
If cutting wires isn't your thing the method I used, before finally hard wiring in ports, was to simply buy a third party battery with, you guessed it D-tap on the battery.
I went for Globalmedia pro batts because hey the more batteries the merrier.
Hope this helps

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 04:22 PM

Thanks Aaron. I should have been a little more specific though; I need to run a video feed to the bottom of the sled.
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Posted 06 August 2011 - 06:09 PM

What is your VIDEO FEED? SD or HD? I only know Camwave HD and that's why I am asking. If it is SD, it is easy to put another video feed since you already have one video down there for a monitor. If it is HD, you probably want to upgrade your rig instead of wiring your rig to HD.
How about power? Are you going to use V-lock mount or power Tap?
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Posted 06 August 2011 - 09:12 PM

It's a SD video feed going to a SD Camwave. I have an AB Sled with a v-mount adaptor so I have power and mounting figured out. I only need to send a composite feed through the sled.
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#6 Mark Schlicher

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 10:25 PM

You could rewire the sled (Terry West can do it) but because the post extends you will need a complete new wiring loom, I don't believe you can add one cable.

The simple and practical solution is to run a video cable down the front of the topstage, past the monitor, to the Camwave.

The other issue is splitting the video signal. I have a recurring 5D gig with a Camwave, and I just use a Y-cable on the topstage. It's not proper because it screws up the brightness of the image, but it works okay. Just don't judge exposure by the monitors. I suppose you can wire up a small video distro amp but I never bothered.
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Posted 06 August 2011 - 10:42 PM

Most professional monitors have a video loop (or active through) out. Check your monitor spec.
If not, then you may want to install a video DA (distribution amplifier). Check with Cramped Attic or Terry West.
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Posted 07 August 2011 - 12:01 AM

Flyer stock SD monitor has no loop-through so he'll probably need the video DA or the Y cable.
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Posted 07 August 2011 - 02:19 AM

I'm looking to do this mainly for ENG camera and they usually have a "Video Out" and a "Monitor Out" so a Y cable or DA wouldn't be needed. For the times I wouldn't be flying ENG, I have a small DA that I've converted to run on batteries/Sled power. I can mount that on rails when I use it. I've already had this all set up but with a cable running on the outside of the post and It's a huge pain in the butt dealing with it.
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Posted 31 December 2011 - 07:48 PM

What is your VIDEO FEED? SD or HD? I only know Camwave HD and that's why I am asking. If it is SD, it is easy to put another video feed since you already have one video down there for a monitor. If it is HD, you probably want to upgrade your rig instead of wiring your rig to HD.
How about power? Are you going to use V-lock mount or power Tap?


Why would it be easier to upgrade the whole rig as opposed to running a new HD cable?
Anyone know if the existing wire / bnc connections would support HD SDI?

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#11 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 08:18 PM

Why would it be easier to upgrade the whole rig as opposed to running a new HD cable?
Anyone know if the existing wire / bnc connections would support HD SDI?


It's a combo of the wiring, the connectors and the number of connections
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Posted 31 December 2011 - 10:43 PM

I just had a thought...

There was an HD version of the Flyer LE...it had an extra connection for HD-SDI.

It's possible that maybe, just maybe, Tiffen wired all Flyer LE's with the same wiring loom for manufacturing efficiency, and just left the HD-SDI wire "capped off" inside the post on the SD version. (Something similar was done with tally remote line on the Zephyr).

You should be able to get the answer from Tiffen or Terry West. If it is the case, Terry should be able to add the connectors pretty cost-effectively.
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Posted 01 January 2012 - 09:32 PM

I just had a thought...

There was an HD version of the Flyer LE...it had an extra connection for HD-SDI.

It's possible that maybe, just maybe, Tiffen wired all Flyer LE's with the same wiring loom for manufacturing efficiency, and just left the HD-SDI wire "capped off" inside the post on the SD version. (Something similar was done with tally remote line on the Zephyr).

You should be able to get the answer from Tiffen or Terry West. If it is the case, Terry should be able to add the connectors pretty cost-effectively.



I find this kind of interesting. I'm pretty sure that HD-SDI can run through cheap coax / BNC Connectors / especially for short distances. In other words, you can use SD cables for HD-SDI in short-run applications.

I'm wondering if you could tap into the stock 9 pin / hack the end off and put a BNC connector on it and run a HD SDI signal to a HD-SDI monitor.

I'm looking into getting mine upgraded to run a Scarlet and I've been in touch with Terry. Buying a new HD-SDI monitor and rewiring the thing isn't cheap - but I think it will be worth it.

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#14 Mark Schlicher

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 09:09 AM

Maybe better to have an adapter wired up rather than hacking into the existing wire. That way you preserve an (SD) backup monitor option.

In the meantime, it's just not a big deal to run a coax cable down the front of the camera stage to the monitor. Live TV ops do it all the time for tally remote, etc.
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Posted 02 January 2012 - 10:57 AM

Maybe better to have an adapter wired up rather than hacking into the existing wire. That way you preserve an (SD) backup monitor option.

In the meantime, it's just not a big deal to run a coax cable down the front of the camera stage to the monitor. Live TV ops do it all the time for tally remote, etc.



YEP, sometimes there are several wires...like 3 or 4! running down the front. Alot of folks frown on the outer wires, they seem to forget the Model 1 and 2 had a solid post from the top stage/J Box to the monitor and the 3 had two metal covered cables coming down the front.
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