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#1 Ramon Engle

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 11:38 AM

Just got an email about the sidekick.
http://www.videoguys...45D2130333.aspx

Has anyone used this?
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#2 Mike McGowan SOC

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 11:58 AM

No but it looks cool. 2500 bucks and it's a back up hd monitor and recorder (and sd monitor as well?)......... if you get one, let me know how it works.
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#3 William Demeritt

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 12:00 PM

Looks interesting, albeit kind of pricey. Atoms Samurai will allegedly have all of this, and use SSD or HDD's, and cost $1495 without the 128gb SSD included (worth $200). Or, the Hyper Deck Shuttle costs $345 for uncompressed. Looks like they beat Atomos to the punch, but if/when the Samurai hits, it'll beat that price by $1,000.
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#4 William Demeritt

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 12:03 PM

No but it looks cool. 2500 bucks and it's a back up hd monitor and recorder (and sd monitor as well?)......... if you get one, let me know how it works.


4.3" TFT screen with pixel resolution of 480x272. Not sure if that makes it a worthy backup monitor, HD or SD. recording purposes it looks cool though.
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#5 Sydney Seeber

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 12:22 PM

Another ProRes only recorder...

goddamnit.
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#6 James Davis

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 01:52 PM

Nice but overpriced.
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#7 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 03:30 PM

Half SD screen Rez, who knows how much processing delay (I'm bettin 5+Frames) and Spendy does not make a good recorder/backup monitor.
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#8 Mark Schlicher

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 12:14 PM

Probably not a good backup monitor, but here are some positives as an HD outboard recorder:

1/4-20 mount.
compact size
Light weight (12 ounces including SSD drive)
Easy-access buttons and controls
Confidence/playback monitor
easily powered from the sled
Cross converter/passthrough built in (HDMI and SDI outputs both hot regardless of input source)
auto-records with camera start
Pro-rez offers a decent quality/runtime tradeoff, allowing use of smaller SSD drives

Atomos is cheaper but its an either-or choice of HDMI-only or SDI-only models. Nanoflash uses a codec preferred by many, but lacks a monitor and is more expensive. Sound Devices Pix240 is about the same features for about the same price (though appears more rugged, with a superior audio section).

Am I missing something that would be a deal-breaker as a high-quality recorder for reviewing takes/capturing demo material?

Anyone actually played with this unit?
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#9 Sydney Seeber

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 03:35 PM

Am I missing something that would be a deal-breaker as a high-quality recorder for reviewing takes/capturing demo material?

People who'd rather use a PC? I know they say other codecs will be supported in the future, but I'm fed up with Final Cut/Apple. This coming from a guy who owns 4 Macs, 2 iPods and an iPad. Supporting only ProRes means that those who don't want to use a Mac have to jump through hoops to use this codec in their workflow. Apple has made it a habit of late to not work well with others, and I hope it's sooner rather than later when it bites them in the ass.
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#10 Andrew Stone

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 04:00 PM

If you are interested in a 10 bit recorder that you can use for both capturing your footage and potentially using/renting to production, you may wish to wait for the Sound Devices, Pix 240, unit. In the same price range, has Sound Devices legendary mic preamps in it and it records both ProRes and potentially more important the AVID codec, DNxHD.

It's coming out in September so it hasn't been field tested yet however Sound Devices has an unassailable reputation for their portable field mixers. Many (most) sound guys use them. The Pix 240 has a bunch of workflow advantages that many of the other recorders don't have which is spelled out on the product page.

I'm using the NanoFlash right now. As far as 10 bit recorders go, the Pix 240 is the only one, at this point, that has my attention.

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#11 Andrew Stone

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 04:10 PM

Sydney I share your frustration with the limited codecs on most of the recorders. The Cinedeck is the only recorder, that I know of, which allows you to install your codec of choice on it. Last time I checked the Cinedeck was in the 10 to 12 grand range. The Hyperdeck Shuttle to me at this point is a curiosity. Until there are some serious field reports on it, I'm not going near it, despite it being cheap. There will be a lot of setup and custom cabling required for the Hyperdeck unit and I am not convinced the SSDs will be usable for very long due to fragmentation issues. In order to record uncompressed video the SSD on the Hyperdeck Shuttle will have to perform near 100% efficiency to work. I'm going to let someone else be the beta tester on that one.

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#12 Mark Schlicher

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 06:49 PM

Someone on another forum characterized the $350 Hyperdeck Shuffle as "a cross-converter with a free uncompressed recorder built in". Probably that's a fair assessment...it does a (theoretically) neat job of converting between HDMI and HD-SDI for the cost of other converters, and if the recorder works too, well that's great.

The Pix 240 definitely looks like a winner. I just checked and it claims the same cross-conversion between HDMI and HD-SDI. If the weight is reasonable it looks good. The Avid codec is/will be an extra-cost option. 5" hi-res screen is good. The FAN scares me a little, but they claim it's quiet, and they are sound guys, so...

BTW, I've got a buddy who shoots for networks all the time and he loves being able to send XDCam-formatted files from his Nanoflash.
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#13 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 04:20 AM

Someone on another forum characterized the $350 Hyperdeck Shuffle as "a cross-converter with a free uncompressed recorder built in". Probably that's a fair assessment...it does a (theoretically) neat job of converting between HDMI and HD-SDI for the cost of other converters, and if the recorder works too, well that's great.


Ummmm it's either HDMI in HDMI out or SDI in SDI out, no cross conversion since in essence it's a bit bucket
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#14 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 04:28 AM

The Hyperdeck Shuttle to me at this point is a curiosity. Until there are some serious field reports on it, I'm not going near it, despite it being cheap. There will be a lot of setup and custom cabling required for the Hyperdeck unit and I am not convinced the SSDs will be usable for very long due to fragmentation issues. In order to record uncompressed video the SSD on the Hyperdeck Shuttle will have to perform near 100% efficiency to work.



Ummmmmm, gotta say there is a ton of misconceptions and just plain wrong info going on with the Hyperdeck Shuttle. There is ZERO setup, slap some velcro on it and you're done, custom cables? Pfftt available trhu severe sources or built your own, You have no frag issues with the SSD since you reformat it every time you download from it (or you should) A decent SSD doesn't have to operate at "near 100% efficiency to work"

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What's so hard about that?
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 07:36 AM

Since it looks like you are using it or have been using it (correct me if I am wrong), whats your opinion on the hyperdeck shuttle so far Eric?

Any issues??

Any pitfalls??

Would appreciate your feedback.

Looks like I could quite easily glue a v-lock mount to it and clip it into the back of my monitor, how robust is at dealing with vibration and general on set use??

Thanks

James
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