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#1 Robert Starling SOC

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 08:55 AM

I've considered a Moses Pole in the past but yesterday I saw one in person and at the point the two poles join is has a lot of play in it. The screw bushings part where it screws together get tight but where those bits insert down into the tubes they are loose, just held in by one single pin on each end. All that play makes me nervous to put a big rig on it.

Anyone else have experience with this product? Rich told me he didn't get very good service from them on this so he ended up taping the joint over with several layers of gaff.

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#2 Lawrence Karman

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 10:36 AM

Hi Robert, I use a telescoping Manfrotto monopod with a baby pin screwed in on top as my "bitch stick" as Mark O'Kane termed it. . Not as sturdy as a stand but it seems to do the job just fine the few times I actually use it.
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Posted 23 July 2011 - 12:47 PM

I've considered a Moses Pole in the past but yesterday I saw one in person and at the point the two poles join is has a lot of play in it. The screw bushings part where it screws together get tight but where those bits insert down into the tubes they are loose, just held in by one single pin on each end. All that play makes me nervous to put a big rig on it.

Anyone else have experience with this product? Rich told me he didn't get very good service from them on this so he ended up taping the joint over with several layers of gaff.

Thanks!

Robert


yes, poor design. I've superglued my sleeves into the post that makes it better.....
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#4 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 12:52 PM

I had one, it went back. Shockingly bad quality
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#5 Russell McElhatton

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 04:46 PM

I use a Matthews "turtle" stand with an old DeRose dock on top. The stand is a normal C Stand that allows the post to be removed from the legs. We put a crutch tip on the bottom for non skid and it is two riser adjustable. When you are up four or five steps and the lads can adjust to your normal docking height in an instant it is sweet. Can go lower as well. If you have an old dock in your kit it is about the same cost as the "Moses Pole" but way stronger and more versatile.
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#6 Richard Romero

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 06:12 PM

The docking bracket was well machined, and worked for my old sled- however it does not work for the XCS. And yes the seam is not good and way to wobbly-but if you have a half a roll of 2" gaff that your not using........eh
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 12:02 AM

Trip to a Machine shop and a Welder....Whala done. Indestructible if made correctly.
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 12:13 AM

Trip to a Machine shop and a Welder....Whala done. Indestructible if made correctly.



But why? for $700 it should be correct...
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#9 Robert Starling SOC

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 02:22 PM

It's designed to be a lightweight two-piece quick stand you can travel with so welding isn't an option as it's thin tubing too.

The problem looks to me that the bolt and receiving ends between the two sections of pole are embedded in Delrin (doesn't feel like metal) and those are only held in by one little compression pin each. It's those two connecting ends where they meet that have too much tolerance / wobble.

Anyway, not bashing them just saying I would never trust it to a fully loaded rig.

Robert
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#10 Joseph Stunzi

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 05:09 PM

Can you guys go into detail as to the purpose of a Moses Pole for us newer guys here?
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 05:41 PM

Hi Robert, I use a telescoping Manfrotto monopod with a baby pin screwed in on top as my "bitch stick" as Mark O'Kane termed it. . Not as sturdy as a stand but it seems to do the job just fine the few times I actually use it.

Hey Lawrence,
I have an old monopod and an extra docking section and I was going to make my own bitch stick, you have a pict I could see? Also, does it hold the rig, I'm a little nervouse about the telescoping sections ?
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#12 Alfeo Dixon SOC

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 05:55 PM

Can you guys go into detail as to the purpose of a Moses Pole for us newer guys here?


just stand here....
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#13 Richard Romero

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 06:56 PM

Can you guys go into detail as to the purpose of a Moses Pole for us newer guys here?



Leading people to the promised land.....

Just kidding , a portable docking stand that your AC or grip has-that we supply.
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#14 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 10:55 PM

Moses Pole AKA Bitch Stick

Think of a Unipod with a Docking bracket on it. You use it when you can't use your normal dock due to space or when you just want a quick rest.
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 06:27 AM

Sounds like a place to unload the rig while a DP and DIT look at LUTs on a digital show. Or a hipster jazz club in Brooklyn.
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