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#1 Jens Piotrowski SOC

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 12:03 PM

now available

http://shop.artemis-...is-Cine-HD-Pro/

they will be at the cinegear 2011...
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#2 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 12:25 PM

now available

http://shop.artemis-...is-Cine-HD-Pro/

they will be at the cinegear 2011...



This made me laugh (Well the whole press release did since it's lauding it's self for doing what a rig needs to do) "The new artemis Cine HD Pro top stage now featuring “Dual Video Processing”, which allows simultaneously use of HD SDI and SD video signals. " something that the XCS ultimate has been doing since day one, well actually it's done everything and more that they are advertising
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#3 Jens Piotrowski SOC

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 12:59 PM

now available

http://shop.artemis-...is-Cine-HD-Pro/

they will be at the cinegear 2011...



This made me laugh (Well the whole press release did since it's lauding it's self for doing what a rig needs to do) "The new artemis Cine HD Pro top stage now featuring “Dual Video Processing”, which allows simultaneously use of HD SDI and SD video signals. " something that the XCS ultimate has been doing since day one, well actually it's done everything and more that they are advertising



you are right, nothing really new, but at this price 14K euro(20K US) an interesting option, especially for operators in Europe....
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#4 Tomas Riuka

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 01:15 PM

Indeed, i was looking at this rig too, it's really well priced conparig to other big rigs! I tried it in Cinec and i liked it, it's just the post could be 2'. Love thick post. But other than that it seemed a nice choice for for a good price!
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#5 Jens Piotrowski SOC

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 10:34 PM

update, the US price will more be around 17K
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Posted 06 June 2011 - 05:56 AM

Is there really an advantage of a 2" post over a 1.5" ?
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#7 Sebastien Audinelle

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 09:59 AM

Hi,

I had one for about a month now, great rig, I think I'm the first one in the US with one of those, don't quote me on that though. For the price, you're getting a lot of cool features, I'm not gonna through the list, just check their website.
I recommend everyone to try it at the expo, their vest too, very nice. And by the way, I'm a pro vest and arm owner, I don't have a deal with Satchler or anything, I just think they make great products. Also, when it comes to service,
I'd give them an A+, Curt has been great with me, so far so good.

Best, Sebastien.
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#8 Jens Piotrowski SOC

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 04:01 PM

Is there really an advantage of a 2" post over a 1.5" ?


the artemis post is 1.8" outer and 1.5" for the inner, so you can still use your brackets...
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#9 James Puli

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 08:31 PM

Found their on post fine tuning To be an interesting concept. It kind of looked like Pro's vz gimbal fine tuning but on the post just above the lower junction box. Don't know if I'd use it but it was interesting. Thought their new monitor bracket over engineered and much preferred their old one!
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#10 Andre Trudel

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 01:44 PM

The fine tune is the same theory as the vz gimbal. I own a vz gimbal and I have yet to find it more convenient or faster to use the “vz” over just making the post horizontal, adjusting the gimbal by feel and then checking the drop time. That’s just my personal opinion and I am definitely not a full time operator yet. I’m sure there are some people who swear by it.
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#11 Andre Trudel

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 02:56 PM

We know that in order to get proper static balance with dynamic balance in mind we start by placing the monitor in the right position, we put the camera’s cg close to the back of the post, then we adjust the battery cage in or out depending on witch way the sled is swaying. There are other steps but for the case of my point I’ll just mentioned these three.

The last step is quite fast and simple with a coarse adjustment that lets you simply unlock and slide the battery cage in or out as needed. The Artemis only has a fine tune style knob at the front of one of the battery rods that brings the battery mass in or out. This is quite slow and somewhat inconvenient if you like to make changes to your rig frequently or work with many different camera weights.

Again, this is just my opinion. I know there are operators out there who never change anything on their rigs once they find what works for them. The Artemis looks interesting and if you’re looking in that price range it’s worth checking out.
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#12 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 03:23 PM

When I saw it at the expo, I was surprised at how overly complex it was.

The drop time adjuster has no place in the real world (except to add weight to the carry structure which is the one place you don't want it and to add complexity to the rig.) moving the gimbal is faster and much less complicated.

The three notches in the carbon fiber post are a HUGE structural no-no, carbons strength is from it's long chain molecular structure, break that structure and those layers are only unnecessary weight which again is in the carry structure so that weight is again in the wrong place

Which then brings up the question of why would you design your system on a 1.8" post? It's not a standard size... Build to either 1.5 or 2" post if you want a rigid rig that can interchange parts with the majors. And FYI A 1.8" post is about twice (207%) as stiff as a 1.5 but a 2" post is over three times (316%) as stiff. Tiffens 1.58" post is only 24% stiffer than a 1.5" post in comparison.


It's an interesting rig but in an attempt to make it more "professional" they took what should really be a simple light weight rig and my it overly complex and heavy and honestly we've been down that path before with integrated four stage superpost's that don't really give you a height advantage
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#13 RonBaldwin

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 05:28 PM

It is weird (silly really) to not stick to a standard size. And I can see where a longer post might be more rigid when the diameter is larger but for a 26" length, I am sure the differences are very little if any (I don't have a slide rule so I cannot work out the equations while here on set)

Now carbon fiber vs alum...that I get when it comes to absorbing or transmitting vibration. There there is the issue of how the post is connected to the upper/lower stages and compensation issues for small genitalia.
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#14 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 06:19 PM

It is weird (silly really) to not stick to a standard size. And I can see where a longer post might be more rigid when the diameter is larger but for a 26" length, I am sure the differences are very little if any (I don't have a slide rule so I cannot work out the equations while here on set)

Now carbon fiber vs alum...that I get when it comes to absorbing or transmitting vibration



It makes a huge difference even in a short post section. And carbon will transmit more vibration than alum but since carbon is stiffer it bends less. Btw if you want to see what a post's modulus of elasticity is you use the same calcs that you when designing a sway bar for a car which happen to be simple beam deflection formula modified to calculate the stiffness of a hollow tube

                     500,000 ([OD]^4 - [ID]^4)
K (lbs/in) = --------------------------------------------------
                (0.4244 x A^2 x B ) + (0.2264 x C^3)


                 B
        ---------------------
 A |  /                       \ C
   | /                         \

A - Length of end perpendicular to B (torque arm - inches)
B - Length of center section (inches)
C - Length of end (inches)
D - Diameter bar (inches)
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#15 Brian Freesh

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 06:24 PM

                     500,000 (OD^4 - ID^4)
K (lbs/in) = --------------------------------------------------
                (0.4244 x A^2 x B) + (0.2264 x C^3)



Best. Equation. Ever.

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