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#1 Sam Morgan Moore

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 11:56 PM

Im realising one thing holding back the improvemnt of my operating is my reluctance to practice with a device that may not be usable when I want to use it

like outside in the daytime

My concern is seeing the screen

My rig is 7d/5d/ex1 Pilot and Vlock battery

I use the given the stock monitor and also a small HD DP1x

both are rubbish in the sun

I realise that I dont care about colour or even resolution, those things can be sorted,

size doesnt really even matter

green screen, black and white, SDef, I dont care

Crop marks ? Ive got some tape

nothing matters but brightenss and reflection

I just need to see composition

What monitor should I be hunting down ?

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Edited by Sam Morgan Moore, 26 September 2010 - 11:58 PM.

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#2 Tomas Riuka

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 07:22 AM

Please read the 'monitors' section, thee is plenty of information about monitors, especially in the
'monitor shootout' topic.

You will not find a cheap solution, cheapest suitable monitors are close to 4000 dollars, others - even more.
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Posted 27 September 2010 - 07:41 AM

Please read the 'monitors' section, thee is plenty of information about monitors, especially in the
'monitor shootout' topic.

You will not find a cheap solution, cheapest suitable monitors are close to 4000 dollars, others - even more.


Ive read that thread, the reason this is in the newb section is the low mass capability of my rig and the lower budget that I may be on

also Im happy with a smaller feature set than would be required on a 'pro' rig

Maybe there is just not a cheap solution

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#4 Tomas Riuka

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:08 AM

Well, quality costs a lot of money... If you dont care about resolution,just brightness, you may want to try finding used Transvideo superbright sd monitor.
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#5 Philip J. Martinez SOC

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:21 AM

Tiffen make a few afforadable SD monitors that could work. Try the monitor from the pilot it's OK. I use it as my program monitor for live shows.

I use Tiffen's 7" 700nit SD monitor as my main one. I shoot outside all the time without a hood. I think it's around $2000.00.
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#6 Tom Wills

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 11:07 AM

I'm looking into a new monitor I saw someone discuss on here a bit ago, made by a company called Lilliput. The model I'm looking at is the 668GL. It runs off of standard composite video, component HD video, or HDMI. It's a pretty generic Chinese monitor, but it's got some interesting features. It's got BNC inputs on the back (rather than a strange breakout cable), it's got an internal battery, and it's got a hard plastic sunhood that you can put on it, which is only a few inches deep (better than some of the huge 6" deep ones for what we do). The most interesting thing though is that they say they offer a "sunlight readable" version. I think I'm going to take the plunge, since it's only $375 for the sunlight-readable version.

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#7 Tomas Riuka

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 12:09 PM

I honestly doubt that can be true...
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#8 Sam Morgan Moore

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 12:17 PM

. Try the monitor from the pilot it's OK.


? I have that - not ok !

Seems like this (used) might be cool

smallest transvideo

I cant see the need for size , res or even colour accuacy when..

it wont be used for focus, I have decent eyes to see the composition, colour temp and exposure will be sorted before rolling using other methods

Other brands apart from transvideo ??

Thanks

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#9 Tom Wills

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 12:27 PM

I honestly doubt that can be true...


I also doubt that it's going to be anywhere close to any of the high-end monitors out there, but it might be an upgrade from something like the Pilot monitor, depending on how they make it "sunlight readable". (note that I put it in quotes!) And considering that my current monitor washes out on overcast days, anything would be an upgrade.

I know that there was a company that was making other small and inexpensive LCDs transreflective for about $600 including the monitor, so that's a possibility for what Lilliput is doing. Lilliput's charging $160 for the mod alone.

Again, I doubt it'd be a Transvideo or even a competitor to the 7" 700NIT Steadicam monitor at the price it's at, but it might be on-par or better than the original 500 NIT Flyer one, and cheaper too.
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Posted 27 September 2010 - 02:28 PM

I'm pretty much sure it's not gonna be any better than tiffen's , opposite, tiffen might be even better despite liliout's claims. If i was you, i would check it first before spending that 300$,'or have a possibility to return it. You're not the first looking for alternate amd cheap solutions, unfortunately, this is not happening, otherwise no one would go out and buy green crt monitors for 14000$....
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#11 richard bellon

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 03:04 PM

hi

probably to heavy for your rig, but Marell makes a "cheap" crt monitor @£900 for a new one, if could find good used one may be an idea
http://www.marell.co...nitors/LBM-5GC/

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#12 Sam Morgan Moore

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 03:35 PM

hi

probably to heavy for your rig, but Marell makes a "cheap" crt monitor @£900 for a new one, if could find good used one may be an idea
http://www.marell.co...nitors/LBM-5GC/

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That looks perfect, good price certainly acceptable, no weight information, I might be able to re house it in something light

and its discontiuned !

Of course using a 5d and 28PC lens only 'buys' me some weight on the total rig, typically I use the vlock batt up top to add mass to the top

but I would not want the camera a foot above the gimbal!

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 11:06 PM

The 668GL is 450 nits for $200. For another $200 Lilliput will add a transflective film.

It is a new model, marketed toward the DSLR/prosumer video market, but based on monitors they've been making for the car video/car-puter/gps market.

Analog component BNC, Composite BNC, HDMI. No pass-through or HD-SDI. The connectors feel solid. The build quality is reminiscent of the Flyer monitor or consumer monitors. It can handle input up to 1080, and has 480 actual vertical pixels, quite good for a small monitor. The internal battery is lithium polymer and lasts about an hour and a half of use, but it has intelligent power saving routines. No particulary professional features other than image flip. No focusing aids, no underscan, no blue-only. But then again, the Flyer SD monitor doesn't have these either.

I bought the non-transflective version for a director's monitor/focusing monitor, direct from their US website, after calling and speaking with a rep in their office. It is a LOT of bang for the buck for $200. It supposedly doesn't like non-regulated power over 13 volts, so that could be a big limitation for Steadicam work without modding your sled or using only 7-12V velcro'd on battery sources.

I'm very curious as to how the transflective version would look, but I used my non-transflective monitor outdoors all day on a shoot last week and was very pleased with its performance. It was much more viewable than the 7" Marshall that we had on our small jib.

Here's my take: for $200-$375 you are not risking much if you decide you don't like it, and it probably could find a place in your kit as a focusing monitor/client monitor.

www.lilliputweb.com
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#14 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 11:09 PM

The 668GL is 450 nits for $200. For another $200 Lilliput will add a transflective film.



450 Nits sucks in direct sun.... Just saying
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#15 richard bellon

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 03:02 AM

hi

probably to heavy for your rig, but Marell makes a "cheap" crt monitor @£900 for a new one, if could find good used one may be an idea
http://www.marell.co...nitors/LBM-5GC/

regards


That looks perfect, good price certainly acceptable, no weight information, I might be able to re house it in something light

and its discontiuned !

Of course using a 5d and 28PC lens only 'buys' me some weight on the total rig, typically I use the vlock batt up top to add mass to the top

but I would not want the camera a foot above the gimbal!

S




found a comparison chart it weighs in at 1.67kg
http://www.marell.co...nitors/compare/
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