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#1 guillermo nespolo

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Posted 03 November 2004 - 03:56 PM

hi i just found this little puppie that its gonna rock the data storage world....clic here
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#2 thomas-english

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 05:23 AM

With regards to using as an onboard playback.. cool if your shooting on Dvcam or DVCpro etc. but digibeta through film you would need to add one of these:


http://www.simplydv....pus_advc55.html

to convert your signal to firewire from analogue.

Im also sure It would be easy to add a patch lead from the bartech so the run switch would activate the rs232.

The only thing is it costs 750usd. The advantages of having it record DV (5:1 compression) could be argued against because the Hard drive runs at only 5400rpm. If you want to use DV for anything the HDs need to run really at 7200rpm or you can start dropping a lot of frames.

Im sure howard will build one into the next D-box Gnespolo.......
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#3 guillermo nespolo

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 12:35 PM

please tell him to stop making new things ..cause i dont have inoff money to buy it........ :(
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Posted 04 November 2004 - 04:02 PM

i'll try to... but if i talk to him i end up buying something i can t afford either...
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#5 Ben Fisher

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 04:39 PM

At the rate at which these HardDisk & Flash recorders are coming onto the market and the speed at which they become obsolete I (imho) would steer clear of the expensive 'professional' units. Devices like the ARCHOS are relatively low-cost and fairly robust. www.ARCHOS.com

On a side-note we have been asked to design a remote stop/start interface & PSU for the ARCHOS AV420 for a customer.

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#6 guillermo nespolo

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 09:18 PM

i have a archos av 120 ..the one with a small screen....adn i have made allready a star interface by infra red and it works ok.....
but i find that in the future this type of things gonna be included on the sled electronics....
i have the fell that the archos works well but its not desing just for the steadicam job.....
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#7 Alec Jarnagin SOC

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 12:43 AM

"but i find that in the future this type of things gonna be included on the sled electronics...."

I'm not sure this is such a hot idea. If I recall GPI was going to do this a few years ago, but opted not to. Probably a good thing; can you imagine having a $15,000 monitor with an onboard recorder from then? My point is, this technology is changing far faster than the rest of the stuff we carry on our sleds. You might end up carrying a second device before too long because you can't stand the obsolete one built into your monitor/sled. At the very least, make it SUPER modular.
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#8 guillermo nespolo

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 09:22 AM

maybe the problem its that they are charging 15.000 for a monitor that its very good but a little to much over value....
any way yes modular its the way but for shure u not gonna be changing tegnologi so fast ....first cause if is working why chang it and second i think that u dont need to have the latest toy to get work...
ilove new toys and i want to have it all of them but i also like to have equipment that i now and trust....

well i gonna put my old and trusti model 2 now :D :D :D :D
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#9 Ben Fisher

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 01:50 PM

I have to agree with Alec; it would be folly for a manufacturer to fully-intergrate a non-linear recorder into a sled - the cost for such 'low run' electronics would be astronomical. The speed of improvement/change in the Hard Disk/Flash type recorders is astonishing, when the GPI/PRO monitor was launched harddrives were around 1$/MB and now they are around 1,000 times cheaper (or larger).

Just remember the pictures of the 'Directors Friend' back-pack on the assistant following the Steadicam on 'Russian Ark'...
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Posted 06 November 2004 - 01:57 PM

I use the RCA Lyra jukebox. It works like a charm. The quality of course is not something I would want to put on my reel but for playback it is killer. The only issue I have is battery power. I need to have fred davis make me a cable to power it from the sled. Other than power issue it is great.

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#11 Alec Jarnagin SOC

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 04:38 PM

Grespolo,

I agree that you don't need the latest/greatest toys to do your job. I think Ben might have said it better than I - I just think that non-linear hard drive recording is a technology that is changing faster than the rest of the stuff we use. The TB-6 that I bought in 1998 is still the best monitor on the market (yet, alas, the alternatives are getting much closer in quality), but if XCS had opted for an onboard recorder of that era, I might still be carrying a huge 8mm deck that was built in! Or perhaps a 15 second, low rez RAM device? As it is, I still opt to use my oversized, overweight mini-DV deck from 1999 (when I bother to use one at all). Still waiting for the hard drive units to find the perfect line between affordable and quality. Very disappointed that the new i-Pod is only for pictures; I'd been holding out to see what they came out with. So, perhaps its time to look at the Archos, knowing that in a couple of years there will be much better options (and again, why I don't want it built into my sled).

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 08:31 AM

Having said all that; I suspect there is a small time window (say 2 yrs) where an electronics manufacturer could make a compact solid state HD recorder, the cost would however be a little hard to swallow.

It is also interesting that the hard disk size of these small recorders (such as the Lyra & Archos) is now at the 'irrelevant' stage and these devices will start to be sold on (IMHO in order of importance):

1. name/style
2. physical size
3. screen size vs. box size
4. screen quality
5. recording resolution
6. battery life

And you can guarantee that with every generation the ability to 'simply' start/stop these units will get more difficult. Probably just going to end up leaving the device recording.

There is some light at the end of the tunnel though - the shear cost of developing the ASIC's that drive these units is getting very very high so manufacturers will make large incremental leaps inside the box - the new iPOD probably can do realtime video, just that marketing are slowing down the release of the technology to maximise revenue; if they find people are not buying the iPOD because 'it is only pix' then you bet they will release the video version...
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#13 MarkKaravite

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Posted 11 November 2004 - 03:35 PM

Hello all,

Do any of these AVR units have a 12v DC input. I just looked at an Archos 320 at Best Buy yesterday. It has an internal Li Ion battery, but no 12v DC input, it's a 5v DC animal.

The Archos also requires an adapter to input composite video. The whole thing put together looks almost as big as my old 8mm (well, maybe quite thinner). Anyway, the video input adapter is a best oddly shaped.

Ideally, a small unit (say 12oz or less), with a decent LCD screen, and 12v / video inputs on board would be great. Does it exist??

Best regards,
Mark Karavite
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#14 RobVanGelder

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Posted 11 November 2004 - 06:30 PM

Most of them don´t have 12V but anything between 5 and 12V. But it´s easy to get an (electronically regulated) lightweight powersupply nowadays.

have a look at this one:

Clipmaker

But this solution is much more expensive.

Search the forum, there are more discussions about this in the past.
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