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#1 Colin Donahue

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:53 PM

I am having some trouble with my Archer. The sled will not return to level after drop test. Tiffen has looked at it and needs more time to figure out if the problem is in the gimbal or the stage. They have offered a Flyer as a loner. I am flying a Sony XD 530 with a bartech and a 5lb microwave transmitter. I think it is around 23lbs. I have seen posts here that say there is an adapter for the G-50 post to fit the flyer. I could use my vest and G-50 arm and adapt it to the flyer sled. Has anyone tried this? If is it safe to carry that much weight on the Flyer stage and gimbal for a few days? Any help would be appreciated. I start my job on Friday.

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#2 Brian Freesh

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 06:12 PM

Technically no, as the Flyer LE is rated to 20lbs. I would imagine you'd be fine though. Mike Germond'll tell you he's regularly flown 25lbs on his LE. Just make sure you strip the camera as much as possible.
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#3 Amando Crespo

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 06:51 PM

I am having some trouble with my Archer. The sled will not return to level after drop test. Tiffen has looked at it and needs more time to figure out if the problem is in the gimbal or the stage. They have offered a Flyer as a loner. I am flying a Sony XD 530 with a bartech and a 5lb microwave transmitter. I think it is around 23lbs. I have seen posts here that say there is an adapter for the G-50 post to fit the flyer. I could use my vest and G-50 arm and adapt it to the flyer sled. Has anyone tried this? If is it safe to carry that much weight on the Flyer stage and gimbal for a few days? Any help would be appreciated. I start my job on Friday.

Colin Donahue


Hi Colin!.
I think, that combination is wrong (at least strange or getting limits) or difficult to get fine works .Low weight for this arm, and may be gimbal was damaged, or ... I don´t know, ...
Brian has reason.
Speak with your dealer, Tiffen´s is a serious company and must give you a solution...
Best regards.
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#4 Andrew Stone

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 07:36 PM

Colin,

I would contact TIFFEN directly. You are in California so there is the plant in Glendale. Maybe a "tech" can give you an answer based on knowing the weight limits of the bearings and the top stage. Some of us would be very interested in knowing that information from a technical source... You should also, in my view, hook up again with your contact as TIFFEN has given you the rig, I would think ostensibly knowing you are going to be flying something in the +20 pound range. If the gimbal caves in TIFFEN should be made aware that you are flying a rig that well exceeds its stated limit.

You are also going to have to load up the bottom the Flyer to get the right gimbal height unless you can extend the post so it will work. In that case the rig will be heavier than 23 lbs.

-Andrew

Edited by Andrew Stone, 20 July 2010 - 07:37 PM.

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#5 Brian Freesh

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 09:24 PM

It seems to me Colin is already in contact with Tiffen, after all they're the ones with his rig and offering a Flyer on loan. I can tell you the technical answer from them will be: The Flyer maximum weight capacity is 20 lbs.

In my head it went like this: Tiffen - "Will a Flyer work for you?" Colin - "ummmmm...." and then Colin came here. :)

You will be able to drop the post for balance if you need, unlike us 1st and 2nd gen Flyer owners... Grrr!

Colin, as you probably know, camera weights can rise fast, if you are going to go for it, be sure you've stripped as much as possible off the camera. I dunno if this helps... I would have been willing to try it on my Flyer, and I'm sure Mike Germond would be willing to on his.
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#6 Colin Donahue

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 09:36 PM

Thank you for all the responses. Dan Ikeda told me the Flyer was rated at 20lbs in an email. What I was not clear on was if this limitation was based on the arm, or if the gimbal and stage are rated at 20lbs as well. I have not been able to get a hold of Dan to get clarification. I am contacting him first thing tomorrow morning.

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#7 Mark Schlicher

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 10:30 PM

Peter Abraham has told me on a couple of occasions that the gimbal is limited to 15 lbs (payload above the gimbal) on the original Flyer. I assume that the gimbal is still the limiting factor on the Flyer LE.
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#8 Amando Crespo

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 10:46 PM

Thank you for all the responses. Dan Ikeda told me the Flyer was rated at 20lbs in an email. What I was not clear on was if this limitation was based on the arm, or if the gimbal and stage are rated at 20lbs as well. I have not been able to get a hold of Dan to get clarification. I am contacting him first thing tomorrow morning.

Colin


Well. I´ll try to explain my opinion. (sorry for my bad english).
Load capacity of a sled, is not only for the arm you use. Take a look to the gimbal, and you will see that all the weight of the system (sled, batts, monitor, camera...) is supported or held in two points. The union of the gimbal with the bearings at the C. post.
Think about, that all the weight is supported in this only 2 points. With a big cameras sled you have a load capacity work, with a Flyer, it will be less.
You can use a PRO arm or a G70 (with adaptors) in a small cameras sled working with a loaded cameras, but the result can be a disaster or damage for your unit.
Call your dealer, or Mr. Frank Rush...They will make you a solution or happy.
Best regards.
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#9 Matteo Quagliano

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 03:49 AM

Hi Colin,

I've been working with that specific camera last week (with Tyra Banks, ffiiiiiuuuuuuu :) ) In my opinion you shouldn't do that, even stripped down I don't think flyer gimble can handle that weight, I was flying with batt on board for a specific request of the production and in that configuration I'm positive there's no way for a flyer to handle that. I mean you can do it but the smaller unexpected and your out. Ask them for an Archer2 or a Clipper. If it's just for a job waiting for your sled to be ok there should be no prob. I flight a flyer once in my life. So I'm not the best person to listen to... but I have the same Archer rig.

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#10 RonBaldwin

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 04:24 AM

I've been working with that specific camera last week (with Tyra Banks, ffiiiiiuuuuuuu :) ) In my opinion you shouldn't do that, even stripped down

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I don't agree at all. I think being stripped down while shooting Tyra would work out well. And as the others have said, be very mindful of the limits the manufacturer put on the equip. Could be embarrassing, painful, expensive (all the above) if something goes.
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#11 Matteo Quagliano

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 04:38 AM

I don't agree at all. I think being stripped down while shooting Tyra would work out well.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA... I will try next time.... :)
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#12 Brian Freesh

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 04:40 AM

I imagine they don't have anything larger available, or they'd have offered it. I've gotten an Ultra2 when all I needed was a Flyer, because it was all that was available at the time.

I highly doubt you'd have a sudden catastrophic failure keeping it under 25 lbs. I'd be worried mainly about the top stage as far as that goes, and mainly just the plate being tied down. But you never know, always best to be safe!
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#13 Amando Crespo

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 04:45 AM

I don't agree at all. I think being stripped down while shooting Tyra would work out well.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA... I will try next time.... :)


Matteo...Next time you will be at my home, Anita and friends will want your famous strip-tease... :P :P :P :P
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#14 Matteo Quagliano

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 04:50 AM

Amando... my friend... just tell me where and when... I quit doing it for money... but for you my friend I'll get back on my old job :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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#15 RobinThwaites

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 05:29 AM

Hello Colin

What lens are you carrying and are you putting a battery on the camera? Can you work without the viewfinder by re-routing the displys to the Flyer monitor?

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