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#1 Nicholas Davidoff

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 01:30 AM

Recently bought 4 brand new Dionic HC's and used them on the Red the other day. I was surprised at how fast they were going down. Each one lasted maybe an hour of heavy use. I figured the Red's just pulling heavy amps. Then I tried running some Red Li-Ion batteries and they lasted almost twice as long. And these were rental house Red batteries with probably many cycles on them vs. almost new Dionic HC's. Otherwise same configuration, same rig, same amp draw. What gives? anybody experience something like this?
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#2 Ken Nguyen

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 02:16 AM

There is nothing wrong.
Dionic HC is 91W.
Red brick is 140W, almost 2x Dionic power.
So Red brick should run longer than Dionic.
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#3 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 02:41 AM

Recently bought 4 brand new Dionic HC's and used them on the Red the other day. I was surprised at how fast they were going down. Each one lasted maybe an hour of heavy use. I figured the Red's just pulling heavy amps. Then I tried running some Red Li-Ion batteries and they lasted almost twice as long. And these were rental house Red batteries with probably many cycles on them vs. almost new Dionic HC's. Otherwise same configuration, same rig, same amp draw. What gives? anybody experience something like this?



I think some people think that the HC in Dionic HC means high capacity, when it really means high current.

91w/h vs 140w/h

Anton Bauer is coming out with a 140W/H Dionic HCx july/august.
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#4 Jens Piotrowski SOC

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 12:24 PM

Recently bought 4 brand new Dionic HC's and used them on the Red the other day. I was surprised at how fast they were going down. Each one lasted maybe an hour of heavy use. I figured the Red's just pulling heavy amps. Then I tried running some Red Li-Ion batteries and they lasted almost twice as long. And these were rental house Red batteries with probably many cycles on them vs. almost new Dionic HC's. Otherwise same configuration, same rig, same amp draw. What gives? anybody experience something like this?



I think some people think that the HC in Dionic HC means high capacity, when it really means high current.

91w/h vs 140w/h

Anton Bauer is coming out with a 140W/H Dionic HCx july/august.



120W 14.4V

http://www.bhphotovi...0WH_14_4V_.html


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#5 Nicholas Davidoff

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 02:43 AM

There is nothing wrong.
Dionic HC is 91W.
Red brick is 140W, almost 2x Dionic power.
So Red brick should run longer than Dionic.
Cheers,
Ken Nguyen.


I should'a got Red bricks at the same price.
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#6 Daniel Granier

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 11:27 AM

Dears, you should have used the Dionic 160 (168Wh typical)to compare with the red bricks, and in this case you have a mucj longer running time time . But i addition the dionic HC will run more than 1000 cycles compared to a much lower number of cycles for the Red Brick
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#7 Charles Papert

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 03:01 PM

Dears, you should have used the Dionic 160 (168Wh typical)to compare with the red bricks, and in this case you have a mucj longer running time time . But i addition the dionic HC will run more than 1000 cycles compared to a much lower number of cycles for the Red Brick


"Dears"...?! alrighty then.

160 also costs twice as much as a Red brick--something a lot of people will factor in as well. I'd stick to AB myself.

The upcoming 140's will be a great new choice.
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Posted 07 July 2010 - 07:24 PM

You might get a little more out of the batteries if you condition them. Its not gonna give you much more, but if you cycle through the batts 2-3 times, it'll help.
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Posted 08 July 2010 - 09:33 AM

Dears, you should have used the Dionic 160 (168Wh typical)to compare with the red bricks, and in this case you have a mucj longer running time time . But i addition the dionic HC will run more than 1000 cycles compared to a much lower number of cycles for the Red Brick


"Dears"...?! alrighty then.

160 also costs twice as much as a Red brick--something a lot of people will factor in as well. I'd stick to AB myself.

The upcoming 140's will be a great new choice.


Charles,

Be nice to Daniel, even though he is French!!! :) Daniel works for Anton/Bauer and has his home office in France. He worked for Panasonic for quite a few years and is very knowledgeable in the industry.

Paul
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#10 RonBaldwin

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 10:34 AM

Dears, you should have used the Dionic 160 (168Wh typical)to compare with the red bricks, and in this case you have a mucj longer running time time . But i addition the dionic HC will run more than 1000 cycles compared to a much lower number of cycles for the Red Brick


"Dears"...?! alrighty then.

160 also costs twice as much as a Red brick--something a lot of people will factor in as well. I'd stick to AB myself.

The upcoming 140's will be a great new choice.


Charles,

Be nice to Daniel, even though he is French!!! :) Daniel works for Anton/Bauer and has his home office in France. He worked for Panasonic for quite a few years and is very knowledgeable in the industry.

Paul


there is always a better solution, and a reason most don't use it (money, weight, no lisagav available in France). I have been using the 160's to power the red recently and they really do kick ass. It's amazing how powerful they are for their relatively low weight (3.4 lbs).
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#11 Charles Papert

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 11:45 AM

Charles,

Be nice to Daniel, even though he is French!!! :) Daniel works for Anton/Bauer and has his home office in France. He worked for Panasonic for quite a few years and is very knowledgeable in the industry.

Paul


Well, the salutation was just sort of Quentin Crisp-y. Might have been a translation thing. Just threw me for a second.

Bonjour, Daniel, et bienvenue!

(but since we are on the subject--it's sort of message board etiquette to identify oneself as being a company rep when joining a discussion about one's product, n'est-ce pas?)
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#12 Nicholas Davidoff

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 04:42 PM

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 06:12 PM

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can I get this statement "1000 cycles" in writing...?
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#14 Nicholas Davidoff

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 07:35 PM

Dears, you should have used the Dionic 160 (168Wh typical)to compare with the red bricks, and in this case you have a mucj longer running time time . But i addition the dionic HC will run more than 1000 cycles compared to a much lower number of cycles for the Red Brick


Of course, that's a no brainer. Dionic 160 is also much heavier and larger than a Red brick or Dionic HC. I think the discussion is about the "medium size" class of steadicam battery, not the jumbo 140's and 160's. A Red brick puts out nearly double the amp hours of Dionic HC at basically the same price, same size (volume) and only slightly heavier. As far as my understanding, the inside of the battery is just a handful of lithium ion cells. In different amounts and arrangements. The more cells, the longer the run time (and the larger and heavier the battery). Does AB use different (better) Li-ion cells than Red?

Sounds like the Dionic HCX will be a pretty good choice at 120 WH. Red still has it beat at 140 WH and a lower price. Personally, I prefer the AB mount over V mount so I'd like to stick with Anton Bauer. Just wish I held out for the Dionic HCX's instead of getting my HC's. Anybody wanna buy 4 mint condition Dionic HC's with less than 10 cycles on each? PM me.

And as far as the 1000 cycle rating of the Dionic HC's, out of curiosity, what is the cycle mileage on Red bricks?
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#15 RonBaldwin

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 09:08 PM

hmmm, jumbo eh? Never thought of 3.4 lbs as jumbo. How much does the redbrick weigh?

I'm working with the red camera now for the first time on a show and it is a piece of shiite. I'm lucky I have managed to avoid it until now!

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