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#1 Fabian Meller

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 12:18 PM

hey guys!

Since yesterday the rehearsals for the upcoming eurovison song contest have started. I watched some videos on youtube to check out the steadicam and operator(s)...

And I noticed an interesting 'setup' i havn't seen that way before, there are two operators (Johan Sandklef is not operating... by the way does anyone know, who's operating?)

Some interesting videos: (at 1:48)
in that-> both operators running side by side, what is that good for? ;-) http://www.youtube.c...u/8/XVvqCeI2mto (at~ 2:45)

Actually I just wanted to start a thread about everything that belongs to the eurovision song contest... (of course about steadicam work and not about the music... You know, there's a button on Youtube, where you can turn off the sound! :-P
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#2 Eric Fletcher S.O.C.

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 01:34 PM

And I noticed an interesting 'setup' i havn't seen that way before, there are two operators (Johan Sandklef is not operating... by the way does anyone know, who's operating?)

Some interesting videos: (at 1:48)
in that-> both operators running side by side, what is that good for? ;-) http://www.youtube.c...u/8/XVvqCeI2mto (at~ 2:45)

Actually I just wanted to start a thread about everything that belongs to the eurovision song contest... (of course about steadicam work and not about the music... You know, there's a button on Youtube, where you can turn off the sound! :-P



I'm not sure that I understand your question, or if there even is one
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#3 Fabian Meller

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 01:57 PM

oh, the only question was who the operators are..
on the other hand, the reason why I started this thread is to discuss about the steadi work on the eurovision, I mean, when I think of last year, the "segway jump" was a huge discussion here.. (I don't know what's expected to happen this year..)

And when I saw (the second video I linked) I've no clue why there are both operators running side by side. Maybe someone can tell me what they're doing.
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#4 Thomas K. Jensen

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 03:28 PM

oh, the only question was who the operators are..
on the other hand, the reason why I started this thread is to discuss about the steadi work on the eurovision, I mean, when I think of last year, the "segway jump" was a huge discussion here.. (I don't know what's expected to happen this year..)

And when I saw (the second video I linked) I've no clue why there are both operators running side by side. Maybe someone can tell me what they're doing.

Hey fabian.

I Think that the two operators are rehearsing the shots together, because the producers wants to be sure that there's a backup operator,
who knows all the moves, if one of the op's gets sick? Or, maybe not?

Thomas
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#5 Rogerhaugen

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 04:16 PM

Hi!
I think they are both NRK (Norwegian broadcast) operators if I am not wrong.
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#6 Brian Freesh

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 06:30 PM

Hey fabian.

I Think that the two operators are rehearsing the shots together, because the producers wants to be sure that there's a backup operator,
who knows all the moves, if one of the op's gets sick? Or, maybe not?

Thomas


A fair guess, and ultimately very likely. In this particular shot, to me it looks like the second op is heading to a new mark or to his stand. The lens isn't pointed at the performers.
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#7 Robert Starling SOC

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 06:55 PM

In the first shot I could maybe see a Director calling out the two shots to counter Op #1's sweep / wrap but then Op #2 ends up lingering back and forth in front of the talent casting a shadow on her dress and that shot makes no sense to me not knowing what is being called out by the Director but it may have made perfect sense for their purpose. Neither could be half as bad as that run-on sentence I just wrote! :rolleyes:

In the second shot it could be one guy is tight and the other is wide, then Op #2 overtakes Op #1 and goes behind him. At first I thought maybe one guy was low-mode but it is hard to tell 100%

Without hearing what the Director is screaming in their ears it's impossible to judge or second guess what is happening in either of these clips. There is no way to judge this or discuss it without additional information from the operators. On the other hand, I could be wrong since I just had an op 2000+ miles away pass judgment with a DP on a very tough low-mode shot I did over some crazy terrain he'd never seen, not only is that quite the magic trick, it's also quite unprofessional to do so. B)

The good news is two ops and two rigs were working somewhere and hopefully paying the bills doing so!

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#8 RonBaldwin

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 09:05 PM

I'm thinking one op hired the other op to shoot footage of him for his next demo reel. I do it all the time.

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#9 Charles Papert

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 09:20 PM

Key word there is "hired", Ron. I keep telling you that I can't pay my mortgage with Scotch and condom wrappers but somehow you still think that is appropriate compensation.
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Posted 17 May 2010 - 10:32 PM

Some interesting videos: (at 1:48)
in that-> both operators running side by side, what is that good for? ;-) http://www.youtube.c...u/8/XVvqCeI2mto (at~ 2:45)



More importantly, in the second video, what is the first op doing at 2:13 with his crazy whip off the stage?? Is he trying to break the camera off the efp or was he just that cool.
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#11 Robert Starling SOC

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 11:33 PM

...what is the first op doing at 2:13 with his crazy whip off the stage?? Is he trying to break the camera off the efp or was he just that cool.


That's what happens when you use too much Lisigav on your gimbal Kevin... be advised!
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#12 Daniel Stilling DFF

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 12:22 AM

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More importantly, in the second video, what is the first op doing at 2:13 with his crazy whip off the stage?? Is he trying to break the camera off the efp or was he just that cool.
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If you look at the monitor corner you see in the corner of the video, you see that op 1 whips his camera as a transition for a cut to op 2. He does look cool doing it, but there's a reason for the move...
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#13 Kevin Andrews SOC

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 08:51 AM

...what is the first op doing at 2:13 with his crazy whip off the stage?? Is he trying to break the camera off the efp or was he just that cool.


That's what happens when you use too much Lisigav on your gimbal Kevin... be advised!



Hehe. I'll watch out for that Robert. ;)


I think I can see the monitor where his shot is and see the cut. But, man the ops oversees seem much more daring with shots in general.
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#14 Tim Tønnessen

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 07:22 PM

To answer your questions

The ops is Tim Tønnessen (me) and Tom Moen (he is also on this board)

The first video is me getting ready to take over the shot from Tom.

The second shows me, using Tom’s shot, to get to the other side of the stage.

And the whip pan is just what it is, just a whip pan as a transition for Tom to take over the shot from me

:)

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#15 Fabian Meller

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 05:18 AM

hey tim!

I'm really curious about the shots as well as the montage! (Yet I've just seen the rehearsal clips)
When I watch TV (mainly talkin about german tv) there are many whip pans in it.. sometimes way too much..
but in some situations like a cut to the next camera I think they're still cool!

All the best to you and Tom for the Show(s)
..I think after next week you'll finally get a vacation!? :lol:
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