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#1 Nikk Hearn-Sutton SOC

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Posted 13 October 2004 - 02:25 PM

Ok, whether it's me or I just suck but I'm having the damnest time trying to balance the XL 1 on my SK2 (sound of radio communications)ROGER THAT. Either the brick that I'm using is too light or too heavy. When it come to the larger rigs, NO WORRIES, but the smaller one particulary the X-1, I have to post all the way up and arm hits the monitor. I know it can be done cause I've seen it!!! (Melanie Motiska posing for the sk2 steadicam on the steadicam site) and she has more than enough room on her lower post. Whatsthedillyo!! :blink:

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#2 RobVanGelder

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Posted 13 October 2004 - 07:47 PM

It´s all about weight, Nikk, want to buy a practice/DV cage? I´m taking orders now :D
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#3 Nikk Hearn-Sutton SOC

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Posted 14 October 2004 - 04:56 AM

Whats the cost in US dollars?
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Posted 14 October 2004 - 10:46 AM

Hi Nikk

Look at the battery in the pic of Melanie, the one on the sled is a NiMH or Lithium (light!) and there is another on a battery carrier on the camera which is probably a good move for an XL-1/2.

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#5 Nikk Hearn-Sutton SOC

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Posted 14 October 2004 - 02:48 PM

I see it!!! An oversight. Thanks

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Posted 14 October 2004 - 07:18 PM

Whats the cost in US dollars?

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Nikk,it´s about $300 including shipment.
The problem is the transportcosts, they are about the same as the value of the thing.

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 05:30 AM

hey nick
i havean xl1 myself for training and short films.i have a baerbel-rig,made for
heavy cameras,so i had to find a solution as well.
get yourself some flat plates of aluminium or better steel and a catgriller
from baerbel.drill holes in the middle of one plate,so you can attach the catgriller.drill holes in all plates on each side,so you can srew them all together (like a sandwich!) with long srews.drill holes in the bottom plate
for attaching your groundplate for the steadicam.screw a second ground plate under your xl1 and lock it in the catgriller. and off you go.
this might sound a bit confusing because my english sometimes is not perfect, but it definitely works.i have a couple of aluminium and steelplates as long as the xl1 and manage to bring the weight up to
18 kg !!!!!!! if i want to.(wich most of the time i don´t ,because life´s hard enough)
if you do´t use a catgriller it works,too,but it a bit more of a drama,ecause you ave to srewthe weights directly to the camera.(be careful not to pick the camera with the weight up on it´s handle!)
i also gota special triangle-shaped thing called ProMounter from a german guy called Bednarz to attach the plate to the xl1 with 2 screws
email:contact@XL-1.de.
hope i could help you

cheers
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#8 RobVanGelder

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 10:50 AM

Hey, Sebastian, you are ruining my business :huh:

And it might not be as cheap as my DV-cage,after you bought the catgriller, the steel plates and the works to make them fit nicely.
And it is certainly not as sexy as mine!
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#9 sebastian matthias

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 01:18 PM

hey rob !
didn´t mean to ruin your business.please forgive me!!!!!!!!!!!
but: if you leave the catgriller away it´s about 30 USD !
(but if you then pick up the camera on its handle because you had a long night out , it probably costs 3.000 USD !! :blink:
and be honest: no gear can be as sexy as the operator who flies it ! :P

cheers and greetings


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#10 MichaelStewart

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Posted 28 October 2004 - 01:50 AM

Hi Nikk, I have an SKII also, I use a cage and aVX2000 (even lighter than the XL1) The key is not necessarily the weight (although you need that), it is putting the weightabove the camera and on the ends that will help you balance the best, cramming on the weight, you will exceed your arm limit quickly, another key I have found is that because the sled is non telescoping, you really don't want the gimble too far down the post, keeping your horizons level becomes more difficult, the XL1 picture shown on the steadicam site is way too high above the gimble for my taste, logic will tell you that a "roll" at the gimble will be magnified several times over at the lense, the farther away from the gimble it is (I like to use the analogy of firing a rifle, you may only swing the barrel a quarter of an inch, but your shot will be way off target and will be compounded the farther away you are, just some thoughts of someone who has finally got it down to a science using the minidv cameras, the cage is the best way to go, once again it isn't the weight you want as much as distributing it properly, hope this helps, I will post a pic of my rig soon to illustrate my point.


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#11 Nikk Hearn-Sutton SOC

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Posted 31 October 2004 - 01:02 AM

Thanks I think I get what your saying but illistrations would be nice so How can i put weight ABOVE the Cam. So if I'm Right on what your saying is I have the cage and the cam goes above the cage correct or not.

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#12 Benjamin Treplin

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Posted 01 November 2004 - 03:00 AM

Hi Nikk,
today I had the opportunity to fly a VX 2000e.
To get it balanced I used 3.5 kg metal on a long dovetail behind the camera. You can see on the picture that the gimbal is way down. When mounting the weight above the camera the c. g. of the hole system moves up and the gimbal with it. The inertia increases in tilt and horizon as well. And IMHO you want the weight to a certain degree. More mass is more inert. The set up on the picture was quite nervous.
I hope this makes sense.

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#13 Matt Burton

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Posted 01 November 2004 - 11:31 PM

Hi Nikk, I have an SKII also, I use a cage and aVX2000
Mike

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Ultra newbie question but what is a cage used for ?

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#14 charlesneufeld

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Posted 02 November 2004 - 12:51 AM

4mat??

A cage, or weight cage, is used for adding weight (10-20lbs, or whatever is needed) to the camera platform so that a lighter camera (eg minidv, hi8 etc) can be flown on the larger rigs.

Basically it just makes a camera that weighs' in at a pound or two, heavy like the film cameras. So that is can be flown with a "similar" feel...

Hope this helps...
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#15 Nikk Hearn-Sutton SOC

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Posted 03 November 2004 - 10:46 PM

Well I made the cage and my GOD what a difference it makes!!!!!! There's still some tweeking I have to make but in essence, IT BUTTA!!!! I'll have pics of the rig set up in a few days. Thanks to all again. Now it's time to make some money with the smaller DV's.

Nikk "Cage me up!!!, before you go-go" Sutton :P
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