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#1 Nikolay Kerezov

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 01:15 PM

Ok now,
I know some of you may say :"we had this discussion long time ago" ,but I need to know:Should I fight to buy gyro system or not?!?
The times now are not good for work or business around,but even dough it happen (maybe 20% this year) WIND.Sometimes you can not say NO.
I've never try gyros,but it happens to me too often to fight wit strong winds.No one ever told me that the shot look like crab because of me,even so ,when I don't like my work I'm feeling bad for a long time.
So please guys give me some advice ,plus es and minus es.The moment came I should know should I fight for it or no(in this moment will be a fight)!?!
Cheers!
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#2 Rogerhaugen

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 01:48 PM

Gyro, yes please! But will put my money elsewhere first.

Anyone tried a windshield like this? Does´t do much when the wind comes in the front...but.
http://www.betz-tool...windkiller.php#

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#3 Nikolay Kerezov

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 02:11 PM

Gyro, yes please! But will put my money elsewhere first.

Anyone tried a windshield like this? Does´t do much when the wind comes in the front...but.
http://www.betz-tool...windkiller.php#

Roger

Roger,
unfortunately is not that easy!



I'm really speaking about the moments no one else can help.
Thanks dough!

The picure is showing moments you CAN get help.!

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#4 Rogerhaugen

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 04:32 PM

Yes I know what you mean. Did a shoot last weekend. 4 min non stop. 2 min into the shoot I struggled with the wind, on every take.
I think gyros would be helpful in these situations.
If would sum up the times you really needed it and then it will speak for it self!
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#5 RonBaldwin

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 04:55 PM

I don't own them, but if I did maybe I'd use them more often than I do. I usually end up renting a set from GPI about once or twice a year.

I worked on a heli-pad ontop of a beach front building a few weeks ago. Without the gyros I would have been really hammered -- even with 2 windblocks (when available) it was crazy. The gyros saved the scene because in this case a dolly and track was not an option.

As you probably know they solve a few problems, but definitely create a few of their own. They are heavy, noisy, tricky to pan with (at certain speeds) and use a good deal of power.

I just can't justify $8k for something I'd use so rarely, but having them in one's kit sure is nice for that "oh shiite" moment.

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#6 John Buzz Moyer

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 05:22 PM

If you contact Kenyon directly and order a set of K-4's (which have been all I found to need in VERY windy situations), you can make that cost much more agreeable. You can order a collar from Mcmaster- Carr and tap it to 1/4 20 for the post mount. I had a machinist make a sliding dovetail plate for the the top camera dovetail and tap it as well.... works great for me.
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#7 Aaron Medick SOC

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 11:19 PM

John can you post some pictures of your mounting solutions?
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#8 Nikolay Kerezov

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 01:19 AM

I'll defiantly (if) contact Kenyon directly for this.
It is mostly about huge investment.Do you guys think that one gyro can do the job in windy conditions?

Ron,I guess the issues as noise and weight are not that bad,at the end sound guys going to have own problem with the wind,as for the weight with heavy cameras it will make my rig shorter ;-).
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#9 RonBaldwin

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 09:02 AM

I seem to remember Larry using three k4's a while back instead of two k6's -- what's the price/weight difference? On that heli-pad I wish I had k8's!

As far as making your rig shorter...you must have an Ultra2? I love that sled but man is it loooong (a top-heavy sled)!

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hey Buzz -- spent last season with Pebler and Pressgrove in NY!
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#10 Nikolay Kerezov

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 09:15 AM

Ron,
I'm using Christian Betz's RIG and I'm VERY happy with it.Having Moviecam compact with S4's making my sled pretty long,so a gyro will be quick fix :lol:
Just looking for reason to buy one.....
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#11 Nikolay Kerezov

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 09:16 AM

Ron,
I'm using Christian Betz's RIG and I'm VERY happy with it.Having Moviecam compact with S4's making my sled pretty long,so a gyro will be quick fix :lol:
Just looking for reason to buy one.....

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 11:29 AM

I bought KS-4s under the "Larry Plan" of having three, but I've still only gotten around to buying two. What I like about this set-up is that you can use different amounts and placements for varied inertial/weight/power control. Sometimes I'll just use one under the gimbal but other times two. The third would go on the top of the camera.

Part of the reason I never bought the third one is that I only use them a few times a year. An expensive luxury but nice to have in the kit.
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#13 John Buzz Moyer

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 09:54 PM

Here's a shot of the gyros mounted in a "basic" working position that again... works for me. This set up covers a great deal of pan force and yaw. I honestly have never really experimented with other angles, positions, etc. Being a creature of habit, it has been great for every situation I thought I needed them.

This was on the back of an insert car with a serious cross wind as a snow storm was brewing from the east...( the excuse for the stupid hat) also, being on the back of the car, the gyros tamed the vortex of odd currents rolling out from under the chasis. The power cables hanging off the rig are not an issue for me because of the added inertia from the Gyros... keeps the sled from having to power them and the camera.

Ron... those guys are great, I was lucky to do two jobs with them back to back. I heard tell of your exploits in NYC... They were sad to see you go.

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#14 RonBaldwin

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 12:14 AM

thanks Buzz -- nice of you to say. working with those guys and their buddies make me want to relocate! They speak highly of you!

When I use gyros, I rig them like you do -- haven't had a lot of time to play with different configurations and it seems to work well. Nice set up.

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#15 John Buzz Moyer

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 09:03 PM

This was a perfect time for gyros.... I just didn't need the extra weight.Attached File  3D_ughjpg.jpg   61.35KB   166 downloads
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