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#1 Daniel sandland

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 06:44 PM

Hello there!

I work as a steadicam operator for soccer/football here in norway and have a problem with running with too much tele...

I fly a steadicam master broadcst with a Sony T 30 and Sony Bwp 590 wireless camera...
The problem occur when I zoom too far in and the problem seems to be either the arm not doing its job, because the shock is not properly absorbed, or a deficiansy between the camera house and the lense connection.
So basicly if I zoom abit in, and stomp the ground with one foot, the impact reaches the camera..


Any ideas that can help us solve this problem?

Best regards
Daniel
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#2 Amando Crespo

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 07:31 PM

Hello there!

I work as a steadicam operator for soccer/football here in norway and have a problem with running with too much tele...

I fly a steadicam master broadcst with a Sony T 30 and Sony Bwp 590 wireless camera...
The problem occur when I zoom too far in and the problem seems to be either the arm not doing its job, because the shock is not properly absorbed, or a deficiansy between the camera house and the lense connection.
So basicly if I zoom abit in, and stomp the ground with one foot, the impact reaches the camera..


Any ideas that can help us solve this problem?

Best regards
Daniel

Hi friend.
I worked many times at soccer/FOOTBALL/FUTBOL matches.
Steadicam or other camera stabilizators, have limits. Working within the madness of a match...running the line (follow-running a professional player)...with wind... walking in a lateral possition...There is too much troubles. And if director ask you for a zoom...It´s not your problem. The problem is in the brain of that director...He must cut and patch other camera (normally he works with 14-21...when the image from the corner is not good). He don´t know how to work with steadicam.
One more time again, I said you....steadicam have limits. Don´t be affraid about.
If you want, send me some videos about your work, and I´ll send you comments....
Be happy!
steady-bros@steady-bros.es

Aps!...I forget an answer...Do you work with triax or video sender?
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#3 Jess Haas SOC

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:31 PM

Sounds like there might be some vibration caused by some play or something loose. Make sure that everything on your sled and the camera is locked down tight. There might be something that needs a little extra support.

~Jess
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#4 Ken Nguyen

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:48 PM

Daniel,
The Steadicam Master Broadcast is a very rock solid system.
I have the feeling that your problem is not the mechanical aspect of the system.
It's more focusing on your knowledge of the system and your operating skill.
A workshop will help I think.
Pardon for my straight answer.
Fly safe,
Ken.
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#5 Iain Baird

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 02:52 AM

The Steadicam Master Broadcast is a very rock solid system.
I have the feeling that your problem is not the mechanical aspect of the system.


The Master Series Film rig that I owned was a great rig but was NOT rock solid. For any long lens work I always had mini wedges placed in between the dovetail and topstage to prevent slight vibrations.
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#6 Jerry Holway

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 06:06 AM

Daniel-

As Iain said, wedges will help- I used them a lot way back when - but you can't adjust the stage balance with the wedges in place.

You can also tighten the preload on the stage bearings to the point it is hard to adjust fore/aft and side to side; this will reduce the slop and vibration. Check everything for vibration.

You might also create a stiffening system like the Ultra has - which works like the spreaders and stays of a sailboat mast (and some crane designs) - basically preload all the major components of the sled so they can't vibrate.

Jerry
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#7 Martin Stacey

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 04:42 AM

And don't use a Sony V-lock plate if you are as there is too much play in them. Make sure you screw the camera directly to your dovetail plate via some form of adapter plate. There are various models from different manufacturers to choose from if you're not using one already.

Cheers
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#8 Juan M.Ramos SOC

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 03:27 PM

An Arri-sony plate can help you and also check that your arm post and gimbal are locked,It helps.
Best regards.
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#9 Daniel sandland

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 05:18 PM

Hello again and tanks for alot of advices!

I must be so modest and say that its not neccesarily about me as an operator, but as suggested something loose on the rig/camera causing it, the same problem has also occured to 4 other operators here and the similarity was that everyone was using the gigawave wireless camera with a canon HD lense.

With the info I've gathered from you guys here it seems that the problem is in the camera-lense holder, there seems too be a littlebit too much wiggleroom in there... I'm going to try and create some wedges though its abit hard to place them on the hd lense.

Thanks alot for all the help, if anyone comes up with anything new aswell please let me know =)
I'll report back when I've checked the wedges ect...

(Also tightened everywhere possiable around the master system, which didnt seem to be the source of the problem.)


Best regards
Daniel
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#10 Amando Crespo

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 05:45 PM

An Arri-sony plate can help you and also check that your arm post and gimbal are locked,It helps.
Best regards.

...Like ever: Good council from Juan Ramos.
Thanks dude.
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