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#98305 The Death of Sarah Jones

Posted by Dave Chameides on 21 February 2014 - 05:01 PM

As many of you know a 2nd AC was killed on a set yesterday while shooting on a train track.  She was struck and killed and 7 others were injured. There are a lot of questions of course and will be for some time. I'm pasting a post i put on Facebook to share because as ops and people higher in the pecking order, I think it's incumbent on all of us to let our crew know that we will go to bat for them should they feel the need to speak up but not want to make waves. Our position carries responsibility with it and one of those responsibilities is to look out for those in our crew who we know would never complain and just want to hump all day making us look even better.

 

Sarah,

I didn’t know you but learned today that you were a “sister” of mine, a 2nd AC in Local 600, that you were working on a film set yesterday and that now you are no longer with us as a result. I am so sorry that your life was cut short for something as trivial as moviemaking and so sorry that no one spoke up to say “this isn’t safe” before a train came down the tracks you were shooting on killing you and injuring seven others. I don’t really know much about the situation or what actually happened, but I am sure that you were doing your job, performing your functions professionally, secure in the knowledge that since others were doing it, things must be safe. I don’t know if you were concerned, if there was a safety meeting, if you asked and someone said, “yeah it’ll be fine” or, if like so often happens, you were moving so fast to help your team get “the shot” that you didn’t take the time to consider what was being asked of you. I don’t know a lot of things.

But I do know this Sarah. No one had your back. If they did, you’d still be here today. The Director should have said no. The AD should have said no. The DP should have said no. Production should have said no. Your operator should have said no. I don’t know if any of these things happened, but I do know that you were out on those tracks and that means someone didn’t step up enough. You were doing what was asked of you and for that reason, you are gone.

And I am so sorry because a 2nd AC shouldn’t be the one to make the call that something is unsafe. A 2nd AC, or anyone for that matter, should not have been out on those tracks. A 2nd AC should not have died yesterday. No one should have.

I don’t know what will change as a result of your death but I do know this. From here on forward, I pledge as an A Camera/Steadicam operator, and one of the senior members of my department, that I will contact every member of my department before we start shooting any job to let them know that I have their backs. I am going to explain that I need them to speak up about unsafe conditions on set and that if they don’t feel comfortable speaking out because of their position, that I will gladly speak to production on behalf of all of us. I am going to tell my union brothers and sisters that we work way too fast, way too long, and way too hard and that I need them to watch my back just as much as I need to watch theirs. I need them to speak up on my behalf because I’m often after that elusive “shot” and can sometimes forget. I need them to protect me and I need to protect them. I am in a position where part of my job is to speak up and I need to take that responsibility seriously. Because no one should ever die on a movie set.

I’m sorry Sarah. We failed you. This won’t help you and I pray that you are resting in peace today, although that is of little comfort to those you were forced to leave behind. Perhaps at least something good can come from this and moving forward I pray that yours is the last death we read about on the set of any production. 

Signed – a brother


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#94682 bullying on the forum

Posted by brooksrobinson on 06 November 2013 - 01:50 PM

I’m writing this to address a topic that has unfortunately become more prevalent on our forum in the past few years…bullying.  I do so with the hopes of opening a dialogue that might eventually bring about positive change.  The topic has indirectly come up in several threads in the past few days and I’d like to put it front and center for discussion…

 

Each of us on this international forum is in a different place in our career – some are students just starting out and looking for basic advice, some work the wedding circuit, some in live TV, some in features (etc.) – yet we all share a similar bond that unifies us…the rig.  Again, there are differences among us - some own inexpensive rigs purchased on Ebay, while some have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in higher quality rigs made by Tiffen, Pro, XCS, MK-V and so on.  Despite our differences in experience and equipment, I believe our eventual goal is the same…become the best operator we can be with the gear we own.

 

I am on the forum frequently to see if there is a new product I should be aware of or something I can do to improve my business or operating.  Instead, what I am finding is quite alarming (to me)…people write in with simple questions or comments on operating and gear and are immediately slammed for asking, or worse – for providing an answer to a question.  This is totally unacceptable behavior anywhere, but especially here where people have always gone out of their way to help a fellow operator (like when Joe Broderick (whom I’d never met or talked to prior) drove 50 miles at the drop of the hat to loan me his Cinema Products model 2 sled for the day when my model 2 blew up on a commercial set).  Remember those days?  Where are they now?  We still help each other with equipment issues without question, but why can’t we be civil to one another on a public online forum?

 

Are there differences among us and how we do things?  Yes, of course.  I use a white-knuckle death-grip on the post when I operate and a faster than usual drop-time…I’ve also never attempted to get my sled in dynamic balance.  Would I ever chastise or berate someone for operating differently than I do?  Of course not, and that is what concerns me…some on this forum do just that day after day to others they don’t know.

 

This forum is an invaluable wealth of information, where one can quickly find answers to very technical questions that in the past would have proved difficult.  It is also a place where people are attacked for the brand of equipment they own, the gauge of wire in their center post, the videos/reels they post when looking for a constructive critique, the way they call “set” when they are ready to start a shot, and in some cases, just for being who they are, or for working at a particular company.

 

This has to stop.  If someone asks a question we find beneath us and we don’t feel like taking the time to answer or direct the person to the appropriate place, why not just skip over it?  Why waste your time and mine (if I unknowingly take the time to read the spiteful response) writing a mean-spirited comment?   If we don’t have anything positive to add to a thread, why take the time to write anything at all?  Is it really that hard to be a nice person?  Isn’t it enough to let our work and experience speak for itself…do we really need to beat our chests in public at the expense of those just starting out to feel better about ourselves?  What good is that wealth of knowledge, earned over years of running the set, if our peers think very little of us as people?

 

I look forward to hearing more comments on this…perhaps I’m the one in the wrong, and in that case, I hope none of you criticize me too harshly…after 21 years of operating a steadicam, I too am learning.  Let’s all try and get along and make this forum what it has the potential to be.

 

 


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#119848 retiring from steadicam - continuing to operate a traditional camera

Posted by brooksrobinson on 05 October 2016 - 03:59 PM

It is with mixed emotions that I write this note to tell the Forum that I am officially hanging up my steadicam after 23 long years.  Being a steadicam operator has opened the door to countless opportunities I never dreamed I’d be able to participate in.  While I began my feature steadicam career with Roger Corman, I currently work with three Oscar winning DP’s, two Oscar nominated DP’s, and the rest of my resume is filled with ASC member DP’s.  I’ve had several MTV music videos of the year (back when those were still shown on MTV), many Super Bowl commercials, several successful big-budget movies, and overall, I’ve been very, very fortunate in my career, and the steadicam is what allowed me to get there. 

 

I’ve thought long and hard about this decision, as it has been at the back of my mind for the past two years.  I injured my back for the second time in early 2015 - a repeat of a herniated disc injury I first suffered in 2011.  The second occurrence was pretty bad, and I was out of work for eight months while I tried everything to get healthy (physical therapy, acupuncture with cupping and electricity, epidural shots, chiropractic, ultrasound, whole body cryotherapy, sensory deprivation (floating), tens machine sessions, etc.).  While I eventually regained my health and went on to operate on several more projects with the rig, I began to wonder if the next injury might be more permanent, and if I was doing myself a disservice by continuing. 

 

I found myself watching the blocking of a scene and hoping the actors didn’t start walking down the hallway, or alley, so that I wouldn’t need to put on the vest.  I began to not enjoy picking it up anymore, being far more content to ride the dolly, hop on the remote head controls for the crane, or put the camera on my shoulder.  It was time to make a change in my life, as it became apparent that the only reason I was still doing it was the fear of moving on, and the money I’d be losing by shifting to regular operating.  In the end, I realized that while a change in occupation can be scary, I wasn’t going to let that fear define me.  While I enjoy a payroll or rental check as much as the next guy, that was never the overriding factor in my life, and I figured it was better to be happy and healthy, then have a few more dollars and be miserable.  The job is too damn hard if you don’t love what you are doing.

 

There have been many things to love about this occupation.  The relationships with fellow operators is unique, in that you compete for jobs, yet still go out of your way to help your fellow man.  I’ve tried to be as helpful as I know how to be with fellow operators in need of loaner gear or advice, because the operators who came before me treated me that way.  On what was a big commercial for me at the time, my sled went out while shooting a Disney World spot in San Pedro.  Everyone I knew was working and unavailable to help, so I called Joe Broderick, who I only knew by reputation, and who didn’t know me at all.  Joe responded by driving 80 miles round trip to deliver his sled to me from Burbank, and then refused to take any money for it. 

 

The opportunity to do a job that is both physical and creative is unique.  While we sweat and endure while carrying the rig - sometimes with legs and back muscles quivering, there is a real artistic side to the craft that is addictive.  Designing shots that tell a story is the huge reward that comes with working with talented directors and DP’s that either know how to move the camera in space, or trust you enough to listen to your suggestions.  Once the basic path from A to B is established, it is our job to finesse it, and take it to another level so that it isn’t mechanical and enhances the story the script is trying to tell.  The best operators in the world - like Larry McConkey and Chris Haarhoff make this sort of thing look easy, and the nuance and subtlety in their frames speaks volumes. 

 

During my time on set, I’ve have many strange and wonderful things happen: I had Madonna tell me “Don’t fucking hit me with that thing” when I first met her on her “Ray of Light” video.  I had Harrison Ford embrace me from behind during an entire take while doing a close-up of Viola Davis:  when we cut and I spun around to look at him, Harrison told me “Just fucking with you kid”.  I had Ben Stiller repeatedly yell at me over his voice of God PA system while he was directing Tropic Thunder.  My favorite of those moments had me up to my knees in a Hawaiian river, while Ben started yelling at me to push into a close up on Robert Downey Jr.  I couldn’t push because there was a large boulder in my path that blocked the way.  I could hear Ben ask John Toll (while still on the PA) “Why the fuck isn’t your operator pushing in?”  Still rolling, I tilted the camera down to show the huge boulder that stood in the path between the camera and Downey, and after a pause, Ben said in a somewhat defeated voice over the PA system “Oh…”.  Karma can be a bitch, and after our move back to LA, we were doing a scene with Matthew McConaughey playing an agent.  In agent’s office, Ben had placed several of his personal items, including some of his Star Trek memorabilia.  He had Spock’s ears, Spock’s shirt, and the head of the Gorn in a custom Plexiglas case, from when Captain Kirk fought it at Vasquez Rocks.  There was a security guard that blocked the doorway to the set the entire day so nobody would steal Ben’s prized possessions.  The on-set dresser went to move the Gorn head when we turned around and picked it up by the Plexiglas.  The wood bottom that held the head dropped out of the bottom, and fell to the floor, where it rolled around a bit, while small pieces of 1960’s rubber fell off the head.  Whoops!

 

I did a commercial for the Spice Channel where we filmed an entire day of simulated sex.  In the last “scene”, the director insisted that he walk with me and look over my shoulder at my monitor as I circled the bed with a couple, including a man who was not what most would consider anatomically correct.  The director kept whispering in my ear “Tilt down to the cock”…I learned that day that if you ever hear those words whispered by another man in your ear, you are not in a good place in your career.  I once asked Colin Firth if he could help me out with a shot.  When he walked into the front door of the house, I needed him to set his briefcase down on an apple box instead of an off-screen bench, as that would allow him to stay nicely composed in the frame instead of leaning partially out of it.  Colin turned to me and replied “I quite liked it when actors leave the frame” and turned his back and walked back out the door.  We put the next wider lens on the camera.  

 

I was asked to do a shot from on top of an elephant marching in a parade.  The DP (who also operated the A camera) had done a camera test while riding the elephant during the prep and quickly decided that he didn’t want anything to do with it, so up I went.  Thankfully, our camera team rented an EasyRig, as I was stranded on top of the elephant for 20 or 30 minutes, and my legs hurt so badly when I came down that I could hardly walk – all from clenching them tightly around the beast so I wouldn’t fall off as she walked and I balanced the camera on my shoulder.  I did a commercial at Vasquez Rocks where I followed a running monkey into the tent of an anthropologist.  On three consecutive takes, the monkey ran into the tent, jumped on the desk, stood up on his hind legs and urinated in the face of the actor seated at the desk - priceless.  Lastly, I got called to do a Prince video where we finished the day in his bedroom.  I was handheld on his bed with a completely nude actress who was touching herself, while lesbian porn was projected on the wall of his room.  At some point, the actress turned to Prince (who was directing the video while wearing pajamas that, depending on how the light hit them, were see-through) and asked him “How is this ever going to be in the video?”  Prince laughed and told her “Oh baby, we’re gonna fuzz it”, to which she said “Okay”, and continued. I never imagined anything like this happening when I was a sophomore in high school in Montana and Purple Rain was racing up the charts.

 

There are many, many more, but then we all have stories.  For the first 14 years of my career, I did primarily music videos and commercials once I got past my low-budget movie phase.  Once I started to do big feature films, I started keeping a daily journal of the key points that happened during the day.  I have these for every movie I’ve done, and it makes for interesting reading before the movie comes out.  It allows me to remember the little things that were funny, hazardous, or amusing, as so many of these moments get lost over the years.  I would encourage those out there reading this to do the same, as it is a great reminder and memento of the hard work that goes into making two hours of entertainment.

 

I was so excited when I got my first sled from Derrick Whitehouse.  It was a Cinema Products model 2 that had been sitting unused in a closet at a university, and I had Bob Derose spend about 6 weeks modifying it – which was time that I didn’t have it to practice.  When I finally got the sled, it was awesome, but it took me a long while before I became proficient at it.  My first 35mm job was for Roger Corman, and my buddy Steve Adelson got me the gig when he was double-booked.  It took me about 45 minutes to balance the Arriflex BL2 as it was very motor side heavy.  My first 35mm shot involved 3 or 4 people exiting a helicopter and walking towards me for a long way across a field.  When they stopped, they had a minute-long conversation at an Army tent.  My previous work had been in 16mm with Arri SR’s, and the weight of the BL2 crushed me from the start.  On take one, the actors started out nicely composed, but soon I was cutting the outside two actors in half vertically.  I then scrambled to get wider, which resulted in a head to toe frame.  I knew I was fucking up, but there was nothing I could do about it, because despite my brain knowing what needed to happen, my legs were exhausted and had a mind of their own, and refused to listen to my persistent urging.  None of the subsequent takes were much better, and I knew I was going to get fired.  When they called lunch, I went and sat by myself, thinking that when it happened, at least I wouldn’t be sitting by others.  Out of the corner of my eye, I could see the DP get up, and approach me.  Oh shit.  He put a hand on my shoulder, and casually said that he liked my work, and asked if I was interested in working more days on the film!  I wish I could think of his name now…hard to imagine anyone liking those early frames - must have been the poor UHF transmission from my Modulus 2000 into my tiny 7” black and white monitor (my first consumer monitor/TV also had am/fm radio!).  Thankfully, I got a little better with time.

 

Thanks for listening.  Good luck to all of you - especially those just starting out on your journey.  If you work hard, it can take you to amazing heights.  Just remember to respect the gear and what it can do over time to your body - doing this job is like being a professional athlete (those who know me would never accuse me of that, perhaps that was part of my problem), and a career that involves this kind of physicality can be shorter than normal jobs.  Stay in shape, and stay strong.  If nothing else, it will help with longevity, in a career that often values the mindset and experience of age, but the body of youth.

 

I will be selling off both of my XCS rigs in the next few weeks and months, as well as numerous other items (rickshaw, hands-free Segway, etc).  I’ll post items on the Forum once I’ve had time to have them all checked out and done some research regarding pricing.  I hope they bring their new owners as much as they’ve brought me.

 

All the best, and thanks to all for over two decades of fond memories and comradery.  I’ve learned a lot from this Forum, and I feel like I know a lot of you from your posts.  Keep up the great work, and I hope to see some of you on set now that I'm not carrying the rig any longer.

 

Brooks Robinson


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#93320 Forget the Nits, Be A Great Op

Posted by Dave Chameides on 25 September 2013 - 06:11 AM

I don't really hang out on this board that much but lately I've been considering actually upgrading to an HD monitor (ya know....for kids) and I've been trolling through all sorts of posts, old and new looking for information.  And may I say, it's hard to recognize some of the writing on here as coming from Steadicam Ops. 

 

I know that things have changed a lot, but when I started some 20 plus years ago, being a Steadicam Op meant more than being able to balance a rig and execute shots - it meant you carried yourself with a certain air of dignity (at least that's what the amazing Bob Crone taught me) and that we were all in this together.  Ops stuck together and we didn't publicly flame eachother or call eachother out.  Granted this was pre internet and even pre cell phone, but we realized that publicly badmouthing one of us, or publicly acting like a jerk in the way that we dealt with eachother and others, made us all look bad.  Maybe I was alone in this but I suspect I wasn't.  

 

We didn't all love eachother and in fact, one on one, I can guarantee you there was some of the same sniping that goes on here, but it wasn't in public and it wasn't as cruel as many of the comments I've seen here are. And at the end of the day, if an op was on set and was down, a call went out, and ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE, who could help came to their aid.  Because we were all in it together and we realized that if one of us looked bad, we all did.

 

What happened to that?  

 

I'm sure others will say that I am being overly nostalgic, and perhaps I am, but there was never the amount of vitriol out there that I see on this forum sometimes.  And it's vitriol over relatively stupid stuff.  So what if Op X likes a rig other than yours and Op Y thinks he has more nits than you have?  Who cares?  Does their opinion diminish you as an op?  Chill out.  Do good work, be professional, help others and expect nothing in return than the knowledge that you are a pro.  Period.  

 

Sad.  

 

I think we can be better than this.

 

And on the subject of Nits, I had the great fortune to do C cam on Person of Interest with Ron Baldwin the other day.  So great to hang out with another quality op, chew the fat, and catch up.  And as an added bonus, Aiken Weiss showed up to see the Director so there were three of us for a bit.  Quite nice.......but I digress....ah yes, Nits.

 

Ron flies the Nebtek HD monitor (I'm sorry for calling you out Ron and showing people what a terrible op you must be because of the monitor you use) and I hadn't seen it.  Moreso, I'm always confused by this whole "HD is unusable in daylight" issue.  Unusable?  Anyway, we took his monitor outside and viewed it in full daylight and under a silk as well (we tried cloud dancing but nothing changed).  As with almost every other HD monitor I've tested, you could see it in pretty much every angle accept where the sun was directly reflecting and then I was able to just adjust the angle.  Sure the colors were muted, and it wasn't pristine, but you could frame the shot.  So I'm confused by what "unusable" means.

 

As I started this stream of consciousness I pointed out that I've been in the rig for over twenty years.  In fact I started out with Model 1 serial number 23.  For those of you who don't know what that was, it had a 2 inch monitor that generally turned on, lo mode meant a 20 minute retool and even then you had to bend over like a pretzel to see the monitor, and the post was about 3/4 inch wide if that.  And you know what?  I did some pretty good work with that rig (when it turned on) and once, on a music video, some pretty good work with it when it didnt turn on by watching a 13" wood paneled CRT TV we were transmitting to that the grips ran next to me with.  

 

So ease off on all the angst about the gear if you would.  Sure you want the best gear you can get for your money, gear that's right for what you are doing with your career, but gear is not going to make you a great operator and railing on someone else's gear isn't going to either. Practice, execution, comportment, and being a professional are what are going to make you great.  Stick with that and you'll make us all proud.

 

To paraphrase Bob all those years ago "The irony of what we do is that if we do it well, no one will ever know we were there."  He stressed that this had to do as much with attitude as it did with operating.  And I think he was right.

 

Thanks for reading, now off to ice my back and kick the kids off the front porch.

 

Dave

 

(And again Ron, I'm really sorry for outing you with the whole Nebtek thing.  I think you've got a good future ahead of you and should you get a good monitor with more Nits some day, I think you have a chance.)


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#86971 New RED digital motors... 1250$...Shipping this summer.

Posted by William Demeritt on 09 April 2013 - 05:03 PM

Knowing RED, it will only turn 3 times and only in one direction when it ships. "Compatible" with most lens systems requires purchase of RED 17-pin LEMO connector cable, available for $450 each with preorder discount. $600 after Cinegear. RED users will immediately proclaim the death of Preston, Bartech, Cmotion and "antique, analog follow focus devices like the Arri FF-4".

 

A heavily delayed firmware update will get it turning in both directions, but somehow cripple the torque to 1/2 the sales specifications. NAB 2015, they announce a new motor, declare all other digital motors as obsolete, and REDUSER hails Jannard as the Messiah.

 

He drives to Las Vegas in a matte black Porsche with a custom engine built out of the RED digital motors, powered by a $100-bill burning engine. The all new RED Digital - Ultimate Movie Brotherhood (RED DUMB for short) film studio compound with living quarters opens in December, 2015. They announce the first all-RED film to be released July 2016. Unfortunately, April 2016, following the murder of a visiting film critic trying to leave, the RED DUMBstown massacre takes place.

 

Fuji and Kodak announce a resurgence of motion picture film stock production. 

 

Hollywood sees record profits from 2017 to 2027. 


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#84386 One Shot Music Video

Posted by Mike Heathcote SOC on 06 February 2013 - 09:00 PM

Hey Guys,

I just wanted to share a one shot music video I operated on:

Thanks!
Mike
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#96333 Happy Holidays

Posted by AndySchwartz on 24 December 2013 - 03:05 AM


My friends.

I know, because I visit the forums daily, how much our community of operators means to each of us. Whefher we are a beginner trying to so eagerly run before we can walk, or a seasoned operator trying to stay up to date with technology, we all come to our forum with a need. I have been following the forums for ten years at least, and I dont believe any of us come here for entertainment.

What is wonderful about our forum is that we have fun, we have fights, pose problems, fix them, we discover, digress, evolve, celebrate, and hold onto something we all love.

And we should celebrate the things we love every so offen, in public, as a group, to each other.

Happy Holidays. I hope you all, have a safe, happy and fun holiday. We are all so fortunate to be a part of what we have.

Cheers my peoples. Thank you for being part of another invaluable year of all things steadicam.


Andy


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#83893 New Kenyon "X" Series Gyros?

Posted by Charles Papert on 26 January 2013 - 08:33 PM

I read Ron's response three times and I can't find any reference to boozing, strippers or offroad vehicles. Thus I have to assume his account has been hacked. Moderators, please note.
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#99968 Tip that saved you.

Posted by Janice Arthur on 02 April 2014 - 09:27 AM

Hi all;

After Dave C's great topic of 'show us your shots' that I thought we should have an ongoing tips topic.

Here is my starter tip.

1) A piece of white tape on my arm section for making shot notes. I write character names, I jot down dialogue lines where I'm supposed to move, or pan or tilt. It reminds me of anything I'm having trouble with. I also have a fine point sharpie and some velcro on it that sticks to the arm also so something to write with is nearby. The pen fits in the front of the vest with no velcro but the key is its handy.
2) i put white tape on the first and last step of stairs so I can tell where the first or last step is and its a good differentiator from the other steps. Increasingly needed the faster you're going.

What are your tips?

Janice
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#99125 PRO Gimbal VS. XCS...

Posted by Michelle Bridges on 10 March 2014 - 02:26 PM

Good Morning Everyone

 

Although we here at PRO have many pressing things happening today and the rest of the week, I will respond to this in order to clear up an absolute mess.  I do not wish to discuss my day to day business on the Steadicam Forum but let me say this:  I cannot speak for or about the XCS gimbal or the MK-V gimbal.  We at GPI PRO have not redesigned our gimbal in any way with the exception of adding a longer gimbal handle and different grip options for our customers.  The PRO gimbal pan bearing is made for your specific application and is made to the absolute best tolerances available in manufacturing today.  We switched vendors in 2011 for many different reasons and NONE were performance based.  We do not call every operator on the planet and ask their permission or inform them of our day to day operations.  GPI PRO SYSTEMS will not divulge our manufacturing methods now or in the future.  Now, we will go back to building the best equipment that we can.  Have a good day. : )

 

Posted on behalf of Jack Bridges

President and Owner of GPI PRO SYSTEMS., Inc.


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#87369 Paralinx Tomahawk

Posted by Daniel Stilling DFF on 15 April 2013 - 11:04 PM

I really think this bullying spirit in this forum has got to stop!
If you don't like the product, don't buy it. This rampant speculation of who did what when and how is way out of proportion.
Chris, take the high road as a businessman. He's not even your competition. Why do you care if the transmitter works or not, or came first, or is different inside? It's just putting your own endeavor in a bad light.
I don't really care if the insides of this transmitter are the same or not from others. All I care is that it works as advertised, and Dans service is great!
I once had a false alarm where I couldn't get a receiver to work, but it was in fact a defective monitor. Called Paralinx, and they offered to overnight me another one immediately. That was a few minutes after I contacted them.
Not the same response from some other companies. And that, you can't put a price on.

But really, I'm tired of this childish rudeness. I find myself logging in here less and less...
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#108717 Tiffen Steadicam M1 modular

Posted by Rich Cottrell on 24 February 2015 - 10:24 AM

Apologies aside, I can not keep my mouth shut any longer... sorry.

 

I am tired of this argument.

Why do you guys continue to jump all over Tiffen for calling the M1 "modular"?

 

I feel you are trying to add something to the meaning of "modular" that is not a fair basis of comparison.

 

At the basic level , the M1 is modular in design.  

I think what you guys are wanting is an  "Interchangeable" and more specifically an "open structure" system, and you are adding all that to what you feel "modular" should mean.

 

At this point, with there being so many options in good,  solid, and  professional sleds, the other rigs are not as interchangeable as it seems has been argued so far against Tiffen's M1.

 

 

For example, I fly the XCS Ultimate.   I have had it for years.  It works great!  I can take it apart, swap the post;  I can mail in components for upgrades without shipping the entire sled.  I can buy new XCS components and swap them around as i see fit.

It is modular for sure, but far from interchangeable.

 

Turning back the clock a little, when XCS designed that first 2" center post sled, that design feature become a limiting factor in the center post's "interchangeability".

 

Until MK-V, Sachtler and BarBell jumped on the 2" center post bandwagon, the only gimbal I could put on the Ultimate with it's stock 2" post, was the XCS one.  

I only wanted/needed the XCS gimbal so who cares... but the point is,  [correct me if i am wrong] until the other manufactures jumped on board with 2", I could not put a different gimbal on my full XCS sled even if i wanted.

 

BUT that new 2" XCS gimbal could be fitted with a sleeve so it could put it on all sleds in existence at the time.  

Did that fact make all non-two inch gimbals no longer modular?

NO.  They were just not "interchangeable" with the new post size.

 

Now days, i would think anyone looking to design an "interchangeable" gimbal might need to make sure they support a 2" post if they want to ensure its "interchangeability", but as long as it is swappable within some system, it would still be modular, would it not?

 

 

Back to my sled,

Now maybe I want to put just my xcs lower electronics on a stock GPI-Pro?  

[I do not think that can happen.]

While I can buy an XCS center post to be wired for a PRO sled, I can not just get something off the shelf to put XCS electronics together with the GPI-Pro donkey box and PRO electronics.  It is not as simple as "Plug and Play"

 

Could it be done?  

Sure, we have many engineers who can move the world,  but I can not just make one call to GPI-Pro and one call the XCS, Inc. and have two boxes show up via FedEx within the week to make that happen.

 

So does that mean the GPI-Pro and XCS sleds are not modular?

NO.

 

They are just not interchangeable.

 

Is seems like people are arguing that a "modular sled" is only modular if it is interchangeable with the GPI-Pro echosystem.   While MK-V and Sachtler have embraced interchange with GPI, others have not... 

 

does any of this make sense?

or have i been missing something?

rich 

 

P.S. Notice i did not say "standard".

 

P.P.S  Shit, i just did

 


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#96244 Cinetronics Gen 2 HD Monitor with Anton Bauer backing and monitor arm.

Posted by GrantCulwell on 20 December 2013 - 06:27 PM

Crazy thought: how about we not have this type of discussion on Justin's thread while he is trying to sell.
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#95543 My Sh*& Don't Stink and Yours Doesn't Either. What's the bes...

Posted by Igor Votintsev on 30 November 2013 - 09:22 AM

Hello, gents. This shot from Russia, very difficult for me (one take only). It is "Izmena/Betrayal" Dir. Kirill Serebrennikov. Excuse for the short comment and my English. I read better (my dear Google Translator). Please.


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#99096 PRO Gimbal VS. XCS...

Posted by thomas-english on 10 March 2014 - 03:08 AM

Are you genuinely saying that PRO and XCS changing bearing suppliers circa 2005 could have made enough of a difference to the coefficient of friction to have made a noticeable improvement of usability that made the gimbles previously inferior to MK-V Gimbles to now superior?  

 

I am going to stand by the fact that once a rig is fully loaded it would be PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to tell a pre 2005 to post 2005 bearing. Actually you could shove a load of thick oil in there and with a fully loaded rig you simply cannot tell! 

 

With an old 3a gimble ages ago I tried this. I tried three different thickness grades of oil. Sure one could tell immediately when free spinning the gimble with no sled but once loaded my experiment went completely out the window because I knew which version oil was in there. If I was honest with myself there was ZERO difference although my superstitious mind thought otherwise. Sure it is best to have the best combination in there but we humans are simply not sensitive enough to check on a nuanced 0.00001N force difference on a 25kg rig. 

 

Here our discussion is with the same oil, same gimble sleave and different bearings. The physics of the sled variables WAY outweigh any bearing friction variables probably by a factor of thousands let alone the fact you are trying to compare a 1.5in gimble to a 2in gimble. 

 

To any newbies out there I strongly recommend you ingnore this thread and focus your minds on making friends with DoP's, keep in touch with family you've not seen for a while and keeping your girlfriend/boyfriend happy as these will influence your operating a million times more. A DoP and Director will respect you for your love of film and framing a million times more than your knowledge of bearing superstition. 


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#110206 This guy just called the entire camera department "cotton balls" betw...

Posted by Francois Archambault on 23 April 2015 - 12:42 PM

When I first saw that "Cotton balls" comment, I was immediately insulted.  I said to myself: What a schmuck!!!  But after a couple of minutes, I realized that the "problem" behind that comment had really nothing to do with me, but everything to do with Mr Jarvis himself.  The first comment made here by William Demeritt was not only spot on, but it actually pointed directly at the real issue at hand:  Chase Jarvis's total ignorance of the art of film-making, period.  I rarely make comments on this site, but William's words on this guy prompted me to write this because it reminded me of a story, so here goes:

 

I was working on a show with a great and famous director.  We had a good thing going on set, sharing ideas and opinions and making sure we always stayed true to the story and the actors style etc.  It was not a big feature, it was a pilot for a series.  I, like everyone else on the set, shared and voiced opinions directly to Him all the time.  He very much encouraged it, and He always listened to what you had to say.  Our days were long and our schedule brutal.  We were averaging 18 hours per day.  Time was precious, but still, He always took the time to hear you out.  He would then say: "…hey! great idea! let's do that…"  Or he'd say:  "...no, can't do that because...…",  always taking the time to explain why he couldn't go with your idea.  Anyway, one day (actually it was a night shoot…), He was standing beside me at my dolly (He almost never ever sat down), both of us an eye on what the DP was doing.  So I decided to ask Him why, being this big-shot director, working on this tight crazy schedule that we had, He would always take the time to listen to his crew instead of simply calling for whatever he wanted and having them done.  His reply was very much like William's comment.  This Big shot director's answer was this: "… you're right, this is MY crew.  And on MY 70-80 people crew, at every moment of each day, on every scene, every shot, every setup, one person on MY crew is bound to come up with a genius idea.  I either listen and make the movie profit from it, or I lose that opportunity like a stupid fucking self-serving egotistical cunt…"  ...sorry his words...

 

In my 26 years of earning a living as a camera/steadicam operator, I've seen all kinds of directors and cinematographers.  And I feel I have enough experience to say that it is clear in my mind that, with this mindset, Chase Jarvis is "loosing" big time on every shot, every scene, every setup, on all of his shooting days, and probably on all of his living "off set" days too.

 

Entire camera dept "cotton balls" between director and his vision…  Mr Jarvis, I recommend you use words, put them together in well constructed and grammatically-correct sentence, then voice your demands clearly, and express yourself in an intelligent and practical fashion.  It has been done before, you know, and by great and talented directors with vision galore, directors that gave us fantastic iconic films of all kinds and genres, with jaw dropping performances and deep super-charged stories.  Get over yourself, Mr Jarvis, I may be wrong (but I doubt it...), but I believe it is quite clear to all of us in all the camera depts of our world, or any dept for that matter, that you sir,are not the very "thing" in the way of your own vision.  By promoting this sort of "cotton ball" philosophy, you actually become part of the problem, encouraging the growth of everything bad that can negatively affect the process of good and proper film-making.  A film crew is a hard working team.  Make friends with them. Make them your accomplices.  They can do wonders for you if you let them, if you trust them.  A single lonely person is, and will always be… well… only just a single person…  

 

Gear is only gear.  The Mimic is only a tool.  Running in a park with available light and no sets, lights or rigs is ridiculously easy, no challenge there, no big achievement there.  I'll put you on a stabilized 3 axis head with a set of wheels, alone, and see how you fare.  Tools don't take "cotton balls" away from any film-making equation.  That would be like saying that if you get a 2500$ set of golf clubs you'll play better.  You say:  "I understand the tradition…"  tradition?!?!?  well, I don't think you do sir.  Film-making is not a tradition, it is a craft, a technique, at every levels of every depts.

 

 

Ok.  Enough said.  Sorry for the rant. but it was quite therapeutical.  I feel better now


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