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Can Alexa, Amira, Red SDI-record-signal trigger recording on Atomos Ninja Star recorder ?


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#1 Thomas Gottschalk

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 05:59 AM

Hello all,

 

I am interested in an Atomos Ninja Star Recorder to use it onboard my rig. Its an HDMI recorder, small and lightweight.

As I work with Alexas, Amiras and REDS that only output SDI Video I would have to use a SDI to HDMI converter to feed the Ninja Star.

Atomos builds a converter for this purpose: Atomos Connect S2H (SDI to HDMI). 

For an onboard recorder it would be essential to automatically start recording whenever the camera on the steadicam is shooting.

 

 

Does anyone know, if the SDI Record trigger signal of Alexa, Amira and RED automatically trigger recording of the the Ninja Star?

 

 

 


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#2 Charles Papert

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 09:55 AM

If you can, get yourself an S2H to test on cameras that output 23.98psf before you buy. The Connect requires that you push a button to initiate the conversion between psf and p (aka, 2:2 pulldown) and I was told that it must be re-enabled if the unit is powered down (didn't get a chance to test this for myself though). It would be easy to forget since the Ninja Star doesn't have a monitor. I would recommend either the Decimator MD-HX or the AJA Hi-5 Plus SDI to HDMI convertors (HX is around 300 and the AJA is a bit more, but smaller), which will do that conversion automatically without having to activate.


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#3 Osvaldo Silvera SOC

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 09:57 PM

Have you seen the price of the Samurai Blade recently? It's half the price it used to be when I bought it, Accepts SDI, and definitely accepts the SDI trigger to automatically start recording with Arri cameras, Red cameras, Sony, etc..

 

 By the time you get the converters and the Ninja your at or above the price of the samurai blade. Currently $495.

 

just my 2c


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#4 Thomas Gottschalk

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 03:47 AM

Dear Gentlemen,

many thanks for your input, that went by a bit ungratefully neglected by me... I apologize!

 

For the sake of anyone still considering using the same setup, I want to share my experiences here :

 

I have been successfully using my Atomos Ninja Star with an Atomos S2H (converting SDI to HDMI)  converter for the last year now. 

 

It is admittedly awkward having to convert SDI to HDMI for the Ninja Star.

Mainly because HDMI connectors are just not made for professional on-set use.

But I found the overall form factor of the recorder and converter combination very attractive and have a good spot on my Betz-Rig sled, underneath my monitor for it.

 

The automatic recording function is working very nicely with ALEXA, Alexa Mini and Amira cameras. 

To enable the SDI trigger on these cameras you have to turn ON internal "Audio recording" in these cameras! There will be no SDI trigger on ARRI cameras otherwise.

But please inform your DITs beforehand, for them to expect some empty audio-tracks within the recorded files of the steadicam. 

 

I did occasionally use RED Dragon and Helium, Sony F55 and Panasonic Varicam cameras with SDI triggering, too.

We always found a way to make it work, but I do not remember every individual menu setting unfortunately.

And we always shoot solid 24fps or 25fps here in Europe. So I did not try 23,98!

 

The build quality of the Ninja Star is good. 

Atomos H2S converters though are prone to several problems! I had one issue with the tiny switches not working anymore and then a soldering issue with its battery contacts!

 

The 1920 x 1080 ProRes 422 recording of the Ninja Star has good image quality for demo reel purposes and it easily survives some "grading". (I hope my DP´s are not reading this.. ;-) 

 

All of this wisdom might be obsolete by now anyway, as Atomos discontinued production of their S2H and H2S converters !

 

Many thanks!

Thomas


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